Key groups (RvR based) = 8mans, Casual RvRers, Smallmens, Zergers, Soloers.
at the moment we have a very strong 8man group (or many people feel forced to do so) and a growing casual rvr group (recent alternate action of zergs/fgs in hadrians). Also the zergers-group becomes more active (recent daily emain zergs). Soloers group mostly are stealthers...

Now, if there is an active group of smallmens (which there isnt) you wouldnt have that huge gap between Casuals and 8man/zergs. People do not do RvR here, they play in some few formats (emain zerg, emain 8man, hadrian casual zergs/fgs once a day) which dont serve the "left out groups". The current system in itself doesnt serve the current "left outs" (read Zarkors explanation)

I dont get why you think that all people complaining about a lack of possibilities are 1337-elitist-8man-never-adders.

Me personally am complaining because the NF-system supported my kind of play (smallmen rvr) by Warmaps, easy raidable towers and Keep ports. The current OF-system does not support my kind of play in any way. I cant see if enemys are knocking on a (keep/tower) door to say hello / because they cant see that either why should i raid a keep then? / there are loooong routes in 3 (!) very huge and different zones which makes a weak community (smallmen) even more weak because they have no choke points.

now you can get any kind of inc in any place, and this fun

You are very invitied to group this evening together with me, lets see if this is right. Because i experienced a far more different picture and maybe you can teach me how to change that.

Think im out of here, its demotivating to speak to walls and stay friendly while that.

What killed this sever for me is the grind. I ve tried a number of times to come back and the grind has kept me away. A simple remove rp merchant so i could keep leveling thro bgs and id come back. I've grinded for years on live and on uthgard and quite frankly ive had enough. Need more people to rvr? quit having them waste thier time pveing.

Dirtrot wrote:A simple remove rp merchant so i could keep leveling thro bgs and id come back.

What logic is that? You need a RP Removal Merchant to level through BG's? You can already level through all BG's as you have 10x XP per kill. You most propably cap your XP before you cap your RP. Also there was an option implemented to stay in the BG to cap both, XP and RP.

Blue wrote:

Dirtrot wrote:A simple remove rp merchant so i could keep leveling thro bgs and id come back.

What logic is that? You need a RP Removal Merchant to level through BG's? You can already level through all BG's as you have 10x XP per kill. You most propably cap your XP before you cap your RP. Also there was an option implemented to stay in the BG to cap both, XP and RP.

If you start a BG below the cap level, you will RR rank out of it before you reach the cap level. Say you start Wilton at level 39, you'll be 41-42 when you leave at 3L2. I did exactly that with my paladin, Skiploom, starting the BGs at 39. I'm only level 41.5 :<

A system that would allow us to cap both for sure would be most appreciated

ok i havnt played in a while but i capped on my rps and couldnt continue to stay in the bgs so i was too low level to go to next bg wich forced to me pve lvl. Did you guys change that? I shruly would come back if ya did i have like 7 toons that are in the 40s that cant go to bgs because im rp capped but not high enough lvl to go to next bg and pve leving in the 40s is murder.

Dirtrot wrote:ok i havnt played in a while but i capped on my rps and couldnt continue to stay in the bgs so i was too low level to go to next bg wich forced to me pve lvl. Did you guys change that?

This will never happen, Blue and staff are to committed to make OF work. Besides if it did happen it might prove that everyone will only stay in BG's which is similar to NF and not OF which would destroy their campaign, that OF will work no matter what players say

Ok to clear it up you wont be staying in the bgs. you WILL level out of the bgs (wich i agree with.) I CAPPED rp before my level was high enough for the next bg so im stuck leveling in pve till im high enough lvl for the next one. Thats the grind i cant handel, unless they changed it im not shure havnt played for like six months. Like hip said i have toons like 40ish and pve solo for a casual us player is unbearable im only intrested in pvp rvr and would love to join everyone in of finding a group on us time and being a non desiable toon for a group (ie hunter) im left to pve solo and not willing to do the grind.

I retract, your right, you will be leveled out, but there will be a increase of players in the BG's . From what I understand, the staff doesn't want to much time spent in BG's. Kills the end game. BG's are a stepping stone to real RVR. From what I understand they don't want players to be parked there as long as they have too.

Well having me sit in pve zones leveling aint helping the rvr situation at all. Honestly i guess a guy could keep makeing and deleting toon to stay in the bgs but even that would get old fast. As a casual solo player levling past 40 pve is laughable. I know they dont want another stealther out in of but i aint wasting my time anymore pve leveling. Want another player out in of......change the bg situation im talking about. Id be more then happy to go to of if i could pvp lvl to get there.

The originally intended behaviour was that you are able to cap BOTH the RP and XP in the BG. If its not the case its a => Bug.

If you exceed the XP cap of the BG before reaching the RP cap and level up theres no return. E.g. you can't return to Thid once you are 50.

Blue wrote:The originally intended behaviour was that you are able to cap BOTH the RP and XP in the BG. If its not the case its a => Bug.

Is the fix for this bug on a to-do list or is this the first you heard if it?

Just heard it. Thought it was this way.

I would agree that the change talked about above would, to me, only increase the amount of people that play only BG's and dont ever do end game RvR. I have lvl'd 3 chars to 50 now and I can say they were all pretty easy to lvl up. Yah, once you get to 40 lvling slow's down alot, but instead of going into a bg at the lower end of the xp lvl's, instead go in at a later lvl. You can always turn xp off and continue working for RR's, but as far as I know you cant turn rps off. For example, instead of going into thid at the lowest lvl, wait till you get to say lvl 47 or 48. Also, doing group gaurd tasks is a great way to earn UBER xp at later lvl's and also earn a decent amt of rps.

I pretty much solo'd my ranger to 50, had a little help on my bm getting him to 50, and my bard took the longest time to get to 50 but that was just because I never really xp'd on him. I basically used him at 45+ to do taj2 raids, df raids, group gaurd tasks, and the occasional group farm session. The "grind" as you put it is exactly why I LOVE this game. Its not a gimme game. If you want to produce in big boy RvR you have to put in your time. If you dont like the grind to get to 50 and start RvR'ing then maybe its time you move onto a insta 50 server instead of a classic server.

As long as I can remember its been, as a example if you are in brea and are lvl 34 and hit R2L2 you are kicked out. I think why players want to do a /rp off is so that they can still level in brae. Now if what you say is true, and it is a bug. Then it sounds like they can stay in brae even if they cap at R2L2 but once they hit 36 they are out. Correct?

Im glad you love the grind i wish i had the time. If you played since the release of daoc as i did you would be like me, seeing gray hair starting to come in As a father of 4 and a nag zilla wife when it comes to video games you can see my plite. Im just stating why im currently not playing. I dont have the power to change the game, nor do i care to. I dont play the other insta 50 severs because of the rule sets. I actauly wanted OF and have fond memories of the orginal daoc. Cant get it anywhere else but here. Im just giving an example of player that would be willing to play the game if x were x. I was just posting to see if any changes were made since last i played. Ill log this evening and see if i can port to a bg. If i cant i wont play no biggie.