I think the main reason why here is so few freshers in RVR in mainly due to HRR guild groups running H24 on emain plus this no add, no zerg policy they promote.

But it is not all these HRR guys fault as many lowbies are just too lazy. They ll spam on the LFG channel but will never try to form group or zerg.

But situation is not so bad, at least in Hibernia, but newcomers need to be more active/imaginative.

* You can very easily form Duo/Trio/4man and run in emain (if you can run speed6 to dodge FGs that WILL chase you). It is by far the fastest way to make RPs as lowbie.

* You can form a zerg, I did a few myself a few months ago, it was great fun and it is pretty easy, just form BG, spamm /b and /lfg and dont be picky on your grouop compo). You ll just get bad reputation with the HRR but who cares, it is not like they were ever going to group you anyway.

* If Emain is too crowded, you can try Odin/HW, usually these places are deserted by HRR and you ll find normal players. Dont hesitate to use IRC to announce your intentions. Some will say arranged fights are forbidden, but that's not really the point I think, just present it as trio (or whatever) event in X zone and with some luck, some ennemies will come to you.


Sorry this message is not Why I dont join RVR, but why all should/could join it. I started Emain RVR as lvl 48, 4L2, playing with my feets, so everyone can do it ^^
And remember kids, there is nothing wrong with Zerging or Adding, it is called RVR, just as it was in the good old times without all this hypocritical fairness BS

KaiserReto wrote:

Celad wrote:Moreover to rank in a zerg is not so fast as people think. Rank in a 8vs8 is way more fast, if you know how to play.
And if you don't know, you will not learn in a zerg.

Damn it you are such a pro, you know how to get rps in 8vs8 fast. Thats why you have one char rr7 which is a hunter?

I'm not wiritng this because i'm a pro. But because it's a fact.
A lot of new guild that started to play RvR in the last year now have a 7/8L group, they were 4L2 as everyone else. And without zergs, maybe adding sometimes, but no need of daily zergs.
In a zerg you will gain less rp per kill, this is a fact too.

I don't have to explain you why i play an hunter, but just because i'm a good boy: my connection at evening really sucks, so even if i have group chars too, i can play them just in the morning and in the afternoon. That's why i play an hunter mostly, if i go ld or lag in a fight i rel and it's ok. But if i go ld with my sham during an inc and all my guild group is without buffs/rupt it's not just one rel.

Seems you are confusing high rr with skilled player too.

I don't think it will help to make a rr10 group leading a zerg. More likely 2 low rr groups running together. This leaves a chance to win for both sides.

All in all it's not like you can't kill anything with low rr. You leave Thid with 4l2 and can get rr5 with guardmissions/zerg and then you got the basic ras.

And yes plz stop the add flames. It's kinda ridicilous in an open rvr game and is making things even worse

Thalien wrote: More likely 2 low rr groups running together. This leaves a chance to win for both sides.

It is said with a good intention but it is still the same spirit. Since when is RVR about leaving chances to win for both sides?!!! When you pick your RAs or make your SC, do you gimp yourself on purpose just to leave the ennemy a chance to beat you? :p
Or when a RR9+ group fights a RR5+ group, do they removes buffs to leave them chances???

This game is all about bringing more firepower than the ennemy, be it with skill, RR or numbers. If you /rel vs Flumb or similar group, just bring more people until they /rel. Better than quitting no? But be ready for war escalation as you re likely to find twice as many ennemies next fight

Heho,

First, you should look what guild people belong to which flame like that, mine it is not. I tell people that i don't like to get added, but i don't flame them.

Second, you maybe don't see the different between don't have problems with add and zerg but there are some. When i build a hour long a setup, wait for ppl wait for port etc, i want to win for to see how good we play and for rps. To have good guildgroups is work, not only the building it also include training, ciritque, knowlege about different playstyles about your enemys, we stay ingame while we running just to have one or two seconds more at inc. To get that in guildgroup it even more work sometimes then in a sg.
When i get added, it destroy the challenge and a change to train. Ok we get rps, but it not the same really.

When i get out as zergleader, i don't care so much about the setup or some other thing. I try to lead a little bit and maybe to try some tactics, but it just for fun and all 8vs8 have the time to get OG.

That lowRR group don't have much changes atm in emain, you can saw that when you see rollercoaster. They have really a change against highRR groups.
They lvln now 3 groups together to 50, all are nearly the same player every day when they and some of then already played in sgs on live server, they train, they work on their groupplay and their own playstyles, but they also lose against high RR groups.
When you do that, you maybe have a change, but there many player they just play for fun also 8vs8 and they don't have a change really in emain to make many rps.

Greetz Luydor

this is bullshit. rotbart never was a real leader in a grp or smth.

bawww wrote:I think there are still people who remember how Rotbart got to rank11, he would build a group that was sure to get most of the realmpoints in a zerg and then he made a bg.

If u had a nice Fight 8vs8 u have Luck but this is rare too. Look at Alb grps so often they win with that Blackadders zerg/adds same from hib Shangri stealth adders. But they make it right no one is alowed to forbid u to add! Its unlucky for the 8vs8 fight but so it is.

Methusalem wrote:this is bullshit. rotbart never was a real leader in a grp or smth.

bawww wrote:I think there are still people who remember how Rotbart got to rank11, he would build a group that was sure to get most of the realmpoints in a zerg and then he made a bg.

I think all high rrs on this server has ever zergd the own rr before they run only 8vs8, or they joined high grps with low rr and get fast higher rr.

SUre it gives ppl they play really good in team like Rollercoaster with low rr, but this is more unique.

Bonjovi wrote:This game is all about bringing more firepower than the ennemy, be it with skill, RR or numbers. If you /rel vs Flumb or similar group, just bring more people until they /rel. Better than quitting no? But be ready for war escalation as you re likely to find twice as many ennemies next fight

The server isn't populated enough to have consistent zergs, sadly.

Celad wrote:A lot of new guild that started to play RvR in the last year now have a 7/8L group, they were 4L2 as everyone else. And without zergs, maybe adding sometimes, but no need of daily zergs.
In a zerg you will gain less rp per kill, this is a fact too.

I think u didnt get the topic. Its not about Guild Groups which join the server as a full group, they ll go emain and get a bloody nose anyway. Its about casual gamers which have no chances here in 8v8 if they are running against rr10grps.

KaiserReto wrote:Main problem in Midgard is imo the permanent add flame.
Low RR people like to join the 2 high RR grps which are running. But if they join a low RR grp which adds fights, they are scared to never get invited into the high RR grps again.

Thats the main problem. All these low rr people are scared of no add policis on this server. They always hope for the chance to get a slot for 1h a week and hence dont wont to add in PUGs since they dont want them to not picking them since they add their fights. And they are not realistic enough to admit that they ve no chance as an 8 slot, so they prefer spending RP over and over again, blameing someone else in group for bad playing...They want to play as the big boys, which they obviously are not.

pweet wrote:

Celad wrote:A lot of new guild that started to play RvR in the last year now have a 7/8L group, they were 4L2 as everyone else. And without zergs, maybe adding sometimes, but no need of daily zergs.
In a zerg you will gain less rp per kill, this is a fact too.

I think u didnt get the topic. Its not about Guild Groups which join the server as a full group, they ll go emain and get a bloody nose anyway. Its about casual gamers which have no chances here in 8v8 if they are running against rr10grps.

It's not forbidden to casual gamers to join a guild and do rvr in it, even at low rr and for just 1h at week. Just don't QQ if you obviously don't have the same LWRP of usual high rr players with no real life. And it's not forbidden to form a zerg for low rr players, using broad and lfg channels. Guild group will not flame your zerg if you don't add 8vs8 fights. Zerg =/= add.

Celad wrote:It's not forbidden to casual gamers to join a guild and do rvr in it, even at low rr and for just 1h at week. Just don't QQ if you obviously don't have the same LWRP of usual high rr players with no real life. And it's not forbidden to form a zerg for low rr players, using broad and lfg channels. Guild group will not flame your zerg if you don't add 8vs8 fights. Zerg =/= add.

It's not forbidden to walk naked into Emain and give away free RPs for a couple hours a week either, but it's pointless aswell. Even with rr11 characters offered, casual players would not stand a chance against seasoned teams (wether they got used to play together on Uthgard or on live and then migrate here). The people that tell you anything else are either liers or blind.

The fact is that some teams and players on DAoC have been practicing teamplay for 7 and more years, and that it would take a couple years of intensive training simply to be able to compete with them. Add realm ranks on top of it. So no, it's not forbidden for casuals to do this. But I doubt you will find casuals willing to do that.

On live servers, rookies and casual players can still enjoy RvR because the population gives them an opportunity to team up and zerg, and therefore the 8v8 lovers go on another zone to have fun. On Uthgard, there is no way to do this.

If you want more people actually playing RvR, you have to help them out in some way, instead of explaining them that they're lazy and that they could spend a few years of getting trampled in order to start getting fun.

So basically you are QQ because on uthgard there's lower population compared to live servers? Lol.

as always i plead for running more than 8-slot if it the situation is appropriate. And that should not just be a matter of RR. Even with RR11 it would keep me from endrvr if i would have to run in PUGs all day long without any chance against the guildgrps out every day.

and really brave from mb yesterday coming back so often as caster grp. We bet you would switch setup after every fight

Celad wrote:So basically you are QQ because on uthgard there's lower population compared to live servers? Lol.

I don't care, I'm not playing a visible .

Just sayin, if you want more people in rvr zones, negating existing problems isn't a good idea. Calling people QQs when they explain why they don't go in RvR zones anymore isn't helping either.

1. High rr players only play with their friends and never invite newcomers.
2. Low rr groups are free rps for high rr guild groups, and for skiled groups like tomatoes, MB or rare, they are only joke.
Cause this newcomers cant up their rr.
3. Most of soloers left this server or started play other chars cause adders.
4. No one want run in random setup, or smalman group. All only want play in perfect setup. I dont remember when i saw one thane in group or 2 skalds in the same group.
5. If you are a newcomer and you like play casters in midgard. You will have nice surprice when you will reach lv 50, go emain, and no one will inv you.

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