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Postby Artefact » Jan 15, 2011 20:59

You're so narrow minded, telling that it suck for hib is just the biggest joke i 've read here.
Try to see with an non-stealth alb POV // ALBs -> :wall: <- AMG

Most of the time they just can't go throught which is really unfair.

And you're crying cause you have to run 10min to go back AMG ... BUT you can solo wherever you want and reach your prefered spot safely xD

You just didn't evaluated the advantage that hib have xD

Go ALB and enjoy the small amg gap :D
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Postby Jonah » Jan 15, 2011 21:21

I know about amg situation and thats is just one of the aspects staff totally has neglated as u state.
But i rather take that then the 10 mins of running. Its easy to get pass amg if u know how :P. And u can find lots of nice rvr between apk and amg so ur point isnt valid.

Telling that hib sucks isnt narrowmindedness its just plain facts, in my pov atleast, but maybe u are ebjoying the fine landscape of hib while running,i dont know.

It sure sucks sometimes for alb to but not near as much as it do for hibs.

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Postby Artefact » Jan 15, 2011 21:24

Jonah wrote: And u can find lots of nice rvr between apk and amg so ur point isnt valid.

Between DL and AMG aswell for hib ... LOL
Just use your buff ... shouldn't be hard for a Ranger ... :gaga: or any other using pots.

Jonah wrote:Telling that hib sucks isnt narrowmindedness its just plain facts, in my pov atleast, but maybe u are ebjoying the fine landscape of hib while running,i dont know.

Useless sentance as far as you can have nice fight between DL and AMG.

Jonah wrote:It sure sucks sometimes for alb to but not near as much as it do for hibs.

Just depends of how many Hib/Alb/Mid camping this stupid hotspot ;)
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Postby Yol » Jan 15, 2011 21:54

Players dont want to walk around in a RvR-Game.
They want action.
They really dont want to wait on a porter for 7 minutes or run through 3 zones until they reach the point where the action begins (no, ganked of a horse is not really that action most players like...)

Give DC a Porter...and allow binding all 3 realms in their porterkeep in emain *then* all 3 realms can port right there where the RvR starts. That would be better for the Mids & Albs too because they dont have to wait until enemies are back.

There would be MUCH MUCH more action in emain.... i thought the staff wants to get more players in the rvr-zone? Then just do this and see what happens!

Its 20:50 o clock in germany on a saturday evening and we only got 739 Players on Uthgard. I think around 650 are doing pve/crafting. Some are trying find enemies in DF.... So how many players are in OF right now at the best evening of the weak at primetime?

Many players like the battlegrounds more (much much more!) then OF. Think about the reason for this?! Could be that the dont have to wait 20minutes bevor having action again after dead?

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Postby Jonah » Jan 15, 2011 21:59

Ok i stop this, useless to give valid arguements to a brick wall, better to do this with it :wall:

And lol at this:
Between DL and AMG aswell for hib ... LOL
Just use your buff ... shouldn't be hard for a Ranger ... :gaga: or any other using pots.


Have u seen the size of the zone between DL and AMG? I said a lots of fights, learn to read. If u start looking for fights there u will be ruined by keeping all pots up and bored to death of all the dead time.

Between atk - amg theres lots less space and lots of more ppl moving, nough said.

I think u just trolling or are u retard for real? As a mod u should know better and behave. Now go away!

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Postby Artefact » Jan 15, 2011 22:12

Yol wrote:Give DC a Porter...and allow binding all 3 realms in their porterkeep in emain *then* all 3 realms can port right there where the RvR starts. That would be better for the Mids & Albs too because they dont have to wait until enemies are back.
Yol


That would be good idea, instant port between border keep we'll more usefull than porter to RvR zone ;)



jonah wrote:Have u seen the size of the zone between DL and AMG? I said a lots of fights, learn to read. If u start looking for fights there u will be ruined by keeping all pots up and bored to death of all the dead time.


OFC the zone is big, I didn't tell that you wuold find a lot of fight here, but tbh you can have fight 1 per run which is quite enough on the way to emain, isn't it ? ;)
The way you present your argument mostly show that you'd like some kind of instant pvp, maybe you should considere that it will never exist here...
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Postby bawww » Jan 15, 2011 22:44

Hibs port bolg, owner of DC ports dc, mids albs port instantly steady action without timesinks.


inb4 FAST FOOD ACTION HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGH
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Postby Eclipsed » Jan 16, 2011 02:30

If they added fast porting to PKs or to keeps, for faster emain action. Why would people go to other zones then. The other issue with rvr is the choke points in emain. Too easy to expect action. That was the down fall of old frontier. If you look at NF. They changed it so there is choke points, exept like in agramon, there is two on each side and they are equal. So there is no reason for everyone to always expect every fight at the same place.

That is what needs to be fixed. Or else emain will be the only zone to rvr in at 50. BORING!
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Postby pyrale » Jan 16, 2011 03:38

Force wrote:No you don't. You find the occasional PvEr at one of a FEW select PvE areas. The fonriter is for the most part totally empty. Stop looking at specific camps that you have a small chance of actually finding people at, go run around the giants in alb, or take a trip south through breifine road, you will see NO ONE AT ALL!

Yeah we should patch so that expers fall from the sky right in front of you every step you do in the frontier zones...
Obviously, with 800 people on the server and adding the risks that comes with exping in frontier zones, it's quite normal that you won't find 100 expers per zone. It was never the case even on live, and even on live you could only find people at a couple known spawns (which are not all implemented on Uth)...

Beside, the idea you were giving (moving quests to frontier zones) would still populate a few spots (just like Ellyls) and not the whole frontier as you seem to want. And I still don't see why it's a good idea to force unstuffed unleveled people to get to the frontier zones to be butchered by seasoned characters. No fun for the rooks, no challenge for the veterans.

Otherwise, I thought about a good idea to increase the incentive of taking keeps, make RvR zones out of Emain more used and so on :
-Reduce teleport timer to 4-5 minutes
-Increase this timer by 1 minute per home keep not owned (so for instance, you could pull RvR to another zone by taking keeps there)

Ofc this would need the keep system to be worked upon.

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Postby Zarkor » Jan 16, 2011 04:23

Eclipsed wrote:Too easy to expect action. That was the down fall of old frontier.

:gaga:
In defense of truth-to-experience.

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Postby Red1 » Jan 16, 2011 05:13

Artefact wrote:Actually I do play solo/grp more than both of you on hib... so don't speak without a clue.

Yes alb & mids got an average time to be back which is shorter to come back in Emain.

But, they are also camped by ppl in front of their keep.
Hib are camped on their horse route, which is definitly the same.

Catching ppl unbuffed/sickness on a horse or running close to their teleport keep is the same.

Btw, if you don't want to get assraped on horse cause you're unbuffed, feel free to buff yourself self before moving.

At least between Druim Ligen and AMG this is a RvR zone where you can find enemies, right ? ^^

You can also be inc by fg near Ailline, that happens quite often, do you think that FG are running unbuff before entering in EMain ? Your arguments are just bad.


I would just tell that there's is 2 horse route ;)


The real point isn't who's the fastest realm to come back to AMG... RvR is everywhere :gaga:


RVR =/= EMAIN -> WAKE UP :gaga:



Is this seriously a mod for this server? No wonder this server is going to crap. Have you ever played HIb? Do you think laming people on the horse route should be encouraged? Yes, laming people at the mpk/apk is lame as well I agree. Breifine is a complete waste of a zone imo. Most rvr is either in crauchon or emain. I killed and died to some albs at amg and b4 I was even to the stable on my horse I saw their spam at amg. There is no way hibs get back to the action in half the time that albs do. Mids maybe, because all the action is at AMG for the most part. With you type of thinking the supposed "Change" will be a big FAIL, but hey you get the OF RA"s that I am sure you pushed for as you play Alb oO

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Postby Seyha » Jan 16, 2011 06:39

Mids have a longer travel time to the action than any other realm if they miss port and are just as likely to get ganked on the way to amg as any hib.
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Postby Weak » Jan 16, 2011 07:24

lvl 50 BG...not OF, not NF, but Costume. Make the pvp area 1-2 zones big to start, and expand or decrease after its been through some beta. Include keeps, relic keeps, bridges, and MGs. Make it so the low pop of this server doesn't have to look through 4 zones for pvp. Expand on this as you will, or just shoot it down either way, lol. I'm a little :gaga: if you know what Im saying.
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Postby Panchos » Jan 16, 2011 09:13

I can't believe I see a moderator partaking in such useless subjective banter.

Yes, both situations suck, but for a moderator to simply indulge himself in such meaningless banter that when from my perspective is the same stuff that they lock when they simply aren't interested or it looks like it might offend someone. But oh look, the moderator may have actually played some and therefore has some real input, so he is actually interested!

Inserting :gaga: :gaga: btw doesn't make you look smarter.....you had good points but so did he, let's not act like another typical troll now as you DO remember you are a moderator?

On a lighter note, At least the semblance of actual interest in the game and acknowledgement of gross imbalances and flaws on this server gives me hope that some part of the staff here at uthgard has played the game at 50 and actually cares about gameplay.

Proceed to flame me as I wouldn't expect any less

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Postby Force » Jan 16, 2011 11:26

pyrale wrote:Yeah we should patch so that expers fall from the sky right in front of you every step you do in the frontier zones...
Obviously, with 800 people on the server and adding the risks that comes with exping in frontier zones, it's quite normal that you won't find 100 expers per zone. It was never the case even on live, and even on live you could only find people at a couple known spawns (which are not all implemented on Uth)...

Beside, the idea you were giving (moving quests to frontier zones) would still populate a few spots (just like Ellyls) and not the whole frontier as you seem to want. And I still don't see why it's a good idea to force unstuffed unleveled people to get to the frontier zones to be butchered by seasoned characters. No fun for the rooks, no challenge for the veterans.




Explain why making every mob drop more money, or adding loot to every mob of a certain type's table would only populate a few spots. That makes no sense what so ever. Moving some of the custom Tajendi PvE crap to the frontiers is one of many possibilities. The old frontiers on live had 10X the PvErs that Uthgard has now.

Early on, I spent most my time PvEing at 40+ in the frontiers. So did most the people I played with. Especially when the mainland camps were full. On uthgard there is a negative incentive to go into the frontiers to PvE because the spawns are wrong, they dont repop fast enough, there are custom PvE zones with better rewards etc etc

The frontiers need incentive and uthgard is full of PvE carebears. The best incentive to bring people into the frontiers would be to make the PvE there worth the risk.

And btw, that's not forcing anyone to do anything, its like DF, take a risk, maybe it pays off.

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