First i would like to compare what Classes could be Stealther

Midgard
Shadowblade
Hunter (2000 range)

Hibernia
Nightshade
Ranger( 2100 range)

Abion
Infiltrator
Scout (2200)
Minstrel

First i would like to compare utilitys which could influence rvr fight
I will just mention abilitys which only 1 Realm.

Midgard: rr5 sb / rr5 hunter / hunter pet
Hibernia : rr5 ranger / rr5 ns
Albion: rr5 scout / rr5 infi / minstrel rr5/ Speed of Sound / Ameliorating Melodies / Aoe Mezz /Caststun / Shild (Slam/Protect)

What we see very clearly???????

I play all 3 Realms, but i recognized that Stealth RvR definetly is not balanced. Its not fair to give 1 Realm 1 more Stealther(Minstrel), especially with such strong Untilitys , which make a fair play almost not possible. I mean a char which can cast by runnig, with a speed u cant escape and can mezz aoe , so that every gimp infi could pa. Whats that about challenge to play good or improve rvr skills . In that case my cat could pa . I mean i tried always to compare it realistic like that mostly there is almost no 1v1, so that for example trio alb (minstrel/scout/infi) i salmost not beatable, like we see on statistic of stealth, that most rps make alb stealth. I mean Black Ader shows it very good, how easy rp farming can work. I dodnt belong to that ppl, who are against that kind of gaming. RvR is free for any tactics.

My Intention is to make Stealth RvR little more balanced. Helpfull would be Custom Changes. Example of Bd shows it can work. Pd+Healpets in combination not possible.

An idea were nerf Minstrel Stealth.

Second thing what could be done is about Ranger/Hunter/Scout bow range. Good would be to give all same range, like it was solved on live servers. 2200 for all

Its open for constructive Discussions

Peace

Have you ever noticed how 90% of QQ is from stealthers?

Daoc basics: Alb got 3 stealthers

Learn to live with it ^^

nixian wrote:Daoc basics: Alb got 3 stealthers

Learn to live with it ^^

Agreed, however devils advocate, they also got the necro as an SI class

Hibernia have the smallest Charactermodels, pls nerf with custom changes!

Alb
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Infi = Has the most spec points then all of the stealthers, But there thrust stun is at 50 spec, for 5sec stun. Another at lower spec but only 2sec.

Scout = Longest Bow Range and has access to shield slam by way of spec, and increase defense with the shield (compared to other archers). But is stuck with one handed weapon and no buff line (compared to other archers)

Minstrel = Has access to stealth. Has Access to two DD scouts that can do about 300dmg combined every 15sec. Also has access to better armor then other stealthers. Can charm Orienge pets without too much difficulty (depending Spec). Can Mez and other music line chants like Health Ablative. But doesn't have stat buffs, and only can use a 1h weapon and doesn't not have shield line.

Mid
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ShadowBlade = Has a duel wield line that swings on each hit (Is reduced dmg though, giving equal offhand dmg over time). Suffers the must vs str/con debuff poison when facing other assassins. Only has access to one damage type.

Hunter = Has a pet that provides a little extra dmg (If fixed), and can be used for multi purposes, like interrupting casters or keeping an enemy from healing while you retreat / get distance. Has Access to a two handed weapon for melee. But doesn't get auto training, and has there str buff replaced with one for there pet (Improve there pet though). Also has shorter bow range.

Hib
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Nightshade = Has a few spells for interrupting and adding a little extra dmg, and in old ra's will have many many advantages vs other assassins. Cant think of any negatives right now, maybe no buff lines, but poison line makes up for that.

Ranger = Can duel wield weapons (+25% dps with no spec, cost spec points to go above), Has the best buffline with spec. But at the same time, to achieve the best buffs, it will cost you in other lines, since the ranger has 5 Lines to spec into.

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Comparing one class vs the other stealthers isnt always the best way to go by. Yes the ranger is better then the scout... when his purge is up. Or the minstrel can get stealth to sneak around on a archer, but when facing Assassins they will get sneaked up on them self as they do not get camo to counter the assassins detect hidden. Also for them to get a decent stealth spec, they can not have high music spec and melee. Most i think run with like 25+skill bonus or a little more. Maybe ok from a distance from grps running by, but real stealthers will find him/her easy. Or the Hunter my have less over all melee dmg when facing a ranger. But when facing casters or unique situations, im sure that pet comes into good use, interrupting. If they know how to use it (Love my hunters pet on another server, a long while ago).

Some situations, one class is better, while other situations the are worse. Also you can count current bugs as an excuse that , for example, the hunters pets dmg. To say they are not effective. But some balance issues do come up, when we give people things they are not designed with, like a minstrel running around with 4-6 buffs on them from charges or pots. No wonder some can do so well.

Jarysa wrote:Have you ever noticed how 90% of QQ is from stealthers?

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This thread does not interest or involve me in any way. I think I will post in it!

Eclipsed wrote:Alb
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Infi = Has the most spec points then all of the stealthers, But there thrust stun is at 50 spec, for 5sec stun. Another at lower spec but only 2sec.

Scout = Longest Bow Range and has access to shield slam by way of spec, and increase defense with the shield (compared to other archers). But is stuck with one handed weapon and no buff line (compared to other archers)

Minstrel = Has access to stealth. Has Access to two DD scouts that can do about 300dmg combined every 15sec. Also has access to better armor then other stealthers. Can charm Orienge pets without too much difficulty (depending Spec). Can Mez and other music line chants like Health Ablative. But doesn't have stat buffs, and only can use a 1h weapon and doesn't not have shield line.

Mid
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ShadowBlade = Has a duel wield line that swings on each hit (Is reduced dmg though, giving equal offhand dmg over time). Suffers the must vs str/con debuff poison when facing other assassins. Only has access to one damage type.

Hunter = Has a pet that provides a little extra dmg (If fixed), and can be used for multi purposes, like interrupting casters or keeping an enemy from healing while you retreat / get distance. Has Access to a two handed weapon for melee. But doesn't get auto training, and has there str buff replaced with one for there pet (Improve there pet though). Also has shorter bow range.

Hib
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Nightshade = Has a few spells for interrupting and adding a little extra dmg, and in old ra's will have many many advantages vs other assassins. Cant think of any negatives right now, maybe no buff lines, but poison line makes up for that.

Ranger = Can duel wield weapons (+25% dps with no spec, cost spec points to go above), Has the best buffline with spec. But at the same time, to achieve the best buffs, it will cost you in other lines, since the ranger has 5 Lines to spec into.

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Comparing one class vs the other stealthers isnt always the best way to go by. Yes the ranger is better then the scout... when his purge is up. Or the minstrel can get stealth to sneak around on a archer, but when facing Assassins they will get sneaked up on them self as they do not get camo to counter the assassins detect hidden. Also for them to get a decent stealth spec, they can not have high music spec and melee. Most i think run with like 25+skill bonus or a little more. Maybe ok from a distance from grps running by, but real stealthers will find him/her easy. Or the Hunter my have less over all melee dmg when facing a ranger. But when facing casters or unique situations, im sure that pet comes into good use, interrupting. If they know how to use it (Love my hunters pet on another server, a long while ago).

Some situations, one class is better, while other situations the are worse. Also you can count current bugs as an excuse that , for example, the hunters pets dmg. To say they are not effective. But some balance issues do come up, when we give people things they are not designed with, like a minstrel running around with 4-6 buffs on them from charges or pots. No wonder some can do so well.

tl;dr

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Astealoth Trolling

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Isn't constant player harassing agenst the rules here on the forums?

Everyone knows that Alb got much much more utility with the minstrel-stealther.

Mythic noticed that too and gave the Hibs the vampyre and the mids the walkyre (with cone-ae for destealth)

But we are on uthgard... and we have to live with this old patch-stands.

I really dont like the catacomb-classes. But without them albs are better in stealther-duos or stealthergroups than the other realms. Thats a fact.

And thats another reason why so many players on uthgard are albion-players.

So love it or leave it. Or play albion too

And with old-ras the rangers will be gimped to death...then the staff will see what happens: Albs will dominate stealther-wars on Uthgard!

And many players on Uthgard play stealther because they dont want to speak english in Teamspeak.
Old-ras will push alb-stealthergroups and then many players will leave uthgard or start new at overpowered alb-side.

alb stealth groups have and always will be better than the other realm stealth groups.

Force wrote:alb stealth groups have and always will be better than the other realm stealth groups.

Yes
AND: With old-ras they get much more better than they are right now.

Funny how no one metioned Sb does not get 2 hand PA bonus here.

With NF RAs any Mid or Hib stealth group has a good chance against an Alb stealth group. I've been in Mid stealth PuGs without Team Speak that have humiliated BA with all their advantages. This is due primarily to the availability of purge, and MoS for Hunters.