Arzt wrote:Excuse me, but i think u guys are pretty WRONG here, 51 Composite Specc only give you the maximum Defense Penetration (Evade/Block/Parry) but NOT the same Damage output as 50+11+RR Weaponskill! The Weaponskill (WS) which is pretty low always calculated against AF, on Live u need to have around 3x Targets AF in my experience to come close to cap Damage with a Tank! Lower WS means lower Damage, got it?

I always wonder how it is possible for people to play daoc for a relatively long period of time and never hear of wyrd spec.


http://daoc-research-wiki.wikispaces.com/Wyrd-Spec


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edit: you also seem to misunderstand what cap damage is.

I know Wyrds Theory, Dude...

And i think its about Styledamage, which is the bigger Part of Damage for any Assassin. i still say the Basedamage (which is way higher with Tanks) increases by WS even if u use DW Styles.

Also voloxy seems to be unfamiliar with damage type vs armor type bonuses/penalties. Doesn't matter what styles you use if your weapons' damage type has a penalty against that armor which is easy to get around if you dual spec.

Tbh it totaly and solely depends on which setup you run, and against which enemys. If you run tankspam, with a Reaver in AT, 40/41/50 > 39/42/50 any day, assuming you don´t play against a caster grp. If however, you do run against a caster grp, quickly slamming supporters and getting back onto a caster can be pretty crucial, at least thats what my experience so far was.
Running in a castergrp and not having shield to be able to guard against enemy tanks is just stupid tbh ^^

I just wonder if the people that are advocating 50 crush actually play a mercenary...

And if so, if they'd be willing to duel my merc to compare damage output.

Who's advocating 50 crush ?

What about.... I'd play without shield because I hate to manually swap between weapon and shield

hehehe

Anyway I only have a pair of quick questions and please take it as yes-no question...

If i play a Merc (50 crush - 50 DW - rest parry 28 i guess)... would I be able to get group/fun at high rr?

can I solo by using as fight opener bludgeon + contusions and then use DW chain style?



Regards!

Yes and yes.

So if i would spec 50dw and 42shield, which weaponskill should i train as a HO? Slash or Crush, or maybe thrust?

CowwoC wrote:So if i would spec 50dw and 42shield, which weaponskill should i train as a HO? Slash or Crush, or maybe thrust?

slash imo

Arzt wrote:

Troham wrote:The Shild / DW Spec was also common on live Servers.

EU or US?

Ive never seen any inside of High RR Groups, i left Live with DR..

I actually had a BM specced that way right when Wyrdd made his testing public (also made a dual spec round the same time, which I preferred). Not sure if that was still OF, prolly right after NF came out. And I will agree, that prior to, and even after Wyrdd's testing, that was a very uncommon spec on live. Most people would still say that you did less dmg (you would if you used your lvl 50 DW style as it used main weapon spec to scale style dmg), and people hated to swap shield all the time rather than just change to a 2H like most shield tanks do.

But now on uthgard I see as many or more slam mercs/BMs as I do pure weapon. And I have to say I preferred when few people knew how effective slam is on a light tank, especially with the broken defense rates on this server.

Healowner wrote:I just wonder if the people that are advocating 50 crush actually play a mercenary...

And if so, if they'd be willing to duel my merc to compare damage output.

I would be more interested in seeing whether a slash merc could drop a healer/shaman/bard faster than a crush merc, when the armor tables are not in their favor.

toaky wrote:

CowwoC wrote:So if i would spec 50dw and 42shield, which weaponskill should i train as a HO? Slash or Crush, or maybe thrust?

slash imo

And why?

CowwoC wrote:

toaky wrote:

CowwoC wrote:So if i would spec 50dw and 42shield, which weaponskill should i train as a HO? Slash or Crush, or maybe thrust?

slash imo

And why?

well, thrust damage type is nice but there are no good anytime styles in that spec and saracen makes a better thrust merc imo

crush damage is nice because of lower endu costs but it seems the best styles in that line are bludgeon/contusions and that is a 6 sec stun so you wouldnt need shield spec if you were crush spec i think, but the damage type is not the best either (some say)

slash damage type has its ups and downs, against hib scale you will have a nice bonus damage (druids, some tanks) and mid light tanks, but sacrifice some damage on mid chain (healers, shaman, warri, thane, skald) and hib reinforced (bard, ranger, bm). probably the biggest thing slash spec has going for it is amethyst slash which is arguably the best anytime style in the game. but as a HO you will have the highest weapon skill with crush or slash spec.

Shouldn't you use DW styles anyway? so crush/slash/thrust styles shouldn't matter?

Force wrote: Most people would still say that you did less dmg (you would if you used your lvl 50 DW style as it used main weapon spec to scale style dmg), and people hated to swap shield all the time rather than just change to a 2H like most shield tanks do.

Actual test on Uthgard about that. The damage with DW styles is basically the same, while crush damage goes down with the spec.