Are the staff attempting to fix the problems with OF by implementing custom changes?

Actually there leads no way around custom changes to solve all the issues of OF.

Mh, no offence to the staff, but I think some informations about your ideas (ideas, not promises) would keep some guys in the forum quiet and calm.

OF sucks as it is now, but let's wait for RvR Dungeons if they ever be implemented ;P

But I think the Map is not the problem. I agree with Ami, the COMMUNITY is.
It happens the exact same way Ami wrote.

Pros are coming, casual dies. And at some point there will be only 2 ways: Either a zerg-period will rise or the server will die.
And here comes one of the only advantages of the Old Frontiers.
Emain will be zergy, add only, not even "pro"(lame) 8vs8 will happen. So the 8 vs 8 will zone to maybe Hadrians. And when this happens there is a possibility that some people (the "good" ones, not the "evil") will use the third zone as a "Fair"-zone.
It's all in progress atm, pros are here already, lamers too. Missing zerg and "good" players (Zerg could win, but I don't think there will be the "good" players on Uthgard ;P)

I'm looking forward to the changes called evolution.

Kind regards, Fin

The community is shaped by the staff's decisions. If your shard is designed to accomodate solo and casual play, then that is what you will have. We see that OF has had the opposite effect. By design, RvR has been concentrated at a single point so that zergs, 8-mans, small-mans and solos must share the same space. At the same time, keep sieges have become utterly boring time-sinks. Something you only do when you want DF, or when you're desperate for inc. In NF, the towers were a focal point for off-peak RvR. They were also a lot of fun.

You take a design that has its flaws, but can accomodate every style of play and has exciting RvR even during off-peak hours. That is NF. Then you replace it with a design that is so large, inefficient, and primitive that all the action is bottle-necked in a single area. That is OF.

And you wonder why we see a change in the community.

Actually, I like the current RvR situation. It is very similar as live pre-toa.

It is true that Emain means pain for solos. But this was always the time. With NF, "Emain" was switched to the 3 bridges around the frontier keeps Beno, Cruachan and Bled. It is much more difficult to avoid stealth-zergs and adds ... but the action comes quite instant.

When I played my Scout on live pre-ToA, I was alot in Odins, Hadrians, Uppland and Cruachan. Even on a well populated server, sometimes I quit the game in the late evening without finding an appropriate target to fight.

On Uthgard, I solo alot in DF and above mentioned zones, but avoid Emain, and find it quite fun. My RP / hour is horrible low.... but hey, I'm not primary focused on making RPs.

It's still not the Map imo Seyha. There were Stealtherzergs in Agramon (they didn't start with OF). Yes OF made it worse, but it's not the FAULT of OF.

@Garad: I share your opinion, I don't care about RPs. I play for fun. But current situation isn't fun. And no RPs means no fights, no fights means no fun. And the countryside isn't THAT funny ;P

Kind regards, Fin

Like I said, NF had its flaws, and it accomodated all styles of play. Including stealth-zergs. But it was less rewarding to zerg in NF because there was no single bottle-neck. You could camp a portal tower, but you would miss inc from the other realm. You could camp a mile-gate, but if players knew you were there they could go around you. It wasn't perfect, but it worked well enough that I could watch several non-stealth solo fights during a few hours of play. And not all were added or leeched.

Edit:

But what I really miss are NF sieges, and that is something you can never get back with OF.

Musikus wrote:Actually there leads no way around custom changes to solve all the issues of OF.

The "of OF" part is optional imo. (Classic) DAoC never was perfect at any given point.

Sieges, yep, I agree OF sieging is inferior to NF and definately livelike sieging.

Why is RvR concentrated to Emain mg´s? Because the staff made it like that?

Sorry, but I do not agree to that. As it is the players who run there for quick RP or death. Not seen any post yet to revive any other zone from the comunity itself.

On live the pro-8 grps just implemented there hunting area, never mind what map was supplied. Many solo´s to small grps as well, even without irc/icq etc. you´ve been able to find these areas (not spots, mind) roaming around.

Just the least-effort-mentality on most players to go emain mg instead of reviving in self-guided way any other area. The staff should do that and when the staff is doing that already pls also fullfill my following wishes (list attached)...

It was a really good alternative to solo/smallgrp raid a tower and claim it to get such an alternativ area created, or knowing other guilds killing 1 or 2 guards at there claimed tower to say "hello, you can find off-mainstream action near your tower" but having towers most likely not implemented in the game and portkeeps neither it´s once more up to the comunity to say lets revive odins gate or the keep claimed by guild xyz as a zone for solos/duos/small grps.

I went through a lot of patches/add-ons/change of imbalances on live, there was always something not working as intended or good for all but RvR died because the comunity went to zerg-only. There´s nothing any staff can do against that. For those who enjoy zerg thats ok, but if you do not want zerg, don´t go in the zerging zone and cry for more action on other spots.

1 Question to a forum-reading gm:

Will it conflict with any rules if I post here something like "I´ll duo around arvakr or solo at odins gate today from 900 to 1100, feel welcome to join" ?
Only rule I am aware of at least bordering is the cross-realming perhaps, as the info doesn´t have any real influence on RvR and I at least do not intend to duell only 1 player at a certain spot but suggest an area for as many as wanna join I may be allowed to try that when I get 50?

Cheers
Ami

P.S. only 1 mg to cross is the only influence staff has as in that way there´s extremely limited possibility to create a non-zerg area close to zerg-action, which is a favorite position as with low-inc in that area you can just go for a try on the zerging area while waiting for respawn. But then that´s also least-effort/max. possibility mentality, isn´t it?

Ami, the point is that no one should have to camp Odins or Hadrians for hours hoping for solo or small-man fights when there was already a better alternative implemented on the server (NF).

Since you started playing here recently you don't share the same sentiment with those of us who wanted to keep NF and had it taken away. Watching a server regress in fun and playability is very frustrating. It's frustrating to know that even though the population is almost double what it was during off-peak times a year ago, it's actually harder to find good inc and fun fights now.

You're quick to blame a community you barely know for the state of RvR you haven't taken part in.

You are right, I do have zero exp in RvR here and how it was.

But I know from live that you can adapt to any change by staff (on live the toa-addon, NF, new classes etc) and it´s more effective to do the adaption than wish for a change that you would prefer -and others may hate- (at least before it´s done, most of the time after the change other cons show up).

I do not say don´t write what you don´t like, as the staff is reading forum they get a feedback if they did perfectly well, medium or totally wrong. Most posts say the change was to the worse, so the staff acts. And never mind what pro and cons come out of that reaction I feel really good knowing there is a staff reacting if there is constructive discussion in the forum. That´s really great!

Say please do not take my writing as an afront to you personally, write down your critic on actual RvR and what´s been better (and also worse) before. I also would prefer some changes as in my opinion one gate to pass is at least 1 too less and towers like in NF would give a hell lot of more possibilities for off-hot-spot action.

I can´t compare to the status before (to be true I don´t have any experience in actual status as leveling takes a lot of time it will be some weeks for me to get there even sparing the time to sc me).

But once more, players themselves killed RvR on live for all but the zerg-loving.
Although staff here reacts, they do have to discuss a lot and try to be as sure as possible to not do a lot of work to just make it worse. They also have to take into account that the people which are active in this forum aren´t the majorhood even if they would agree on something there is still a huge population left not spaming the forum like we are.

So the quickest way is to change something yourself and not force yourself to quit or stealthgrp because of emain mg.

Just 1 example from dm mid. There was a high RR alb (too long off to remember his class or name, maybe merc) looking for 1vs1. Not having a 1vs1 zone he just stood some 100 foot aside the hotspot bled bridge. He got owned x times by adders and fg´s but after some days it was clear where to look for some 1vs1 and a small community build up going regularly down there. Yes, he got owned continuosly by stealthgrp etc. but he got some great 1vs1 in between.

first i have to tell u that i am no friend of OF, old RA´s aso.

but! OF have 6 milewalls aswell as NF agramon had! its true that u cant avoid stealthgrps at the emain amg if u are a alb... but u have the coice to port odins or go HW. so if u think there is no inc out (or only zerg) its yout own fault.
someone of us all here have to take the first step to reactivate solo/smallmen rvr in another zone!
in the last few days there was a 2vs2 and a 3vs3 event in odins and i like it! (wasnt there but nice idea guys, but dont do it in emain at primetime it would be a fail of yourself then if u get pwned/outnumbered)

so i agree for agramon again, but i tell u that OF isnt that bad if YOU ARE WILLED TO CHANGE YOU AND YOUR RVR STYLE!

at the other side , i agree with old RA´s for more individuality in 8vs8, but i disagree with old RA´s for solo rvr because most of my classes i play get weakened or seem totally impossible to play (2h paladin or swordhunter for example)
also many people voted for old RA´s so that rangers get nerfed... whats totally Bull°°°t
its true ranger gets weaker than now, but all other stealthers too, only ns will become absolutely oped
on the other side slam charackters become very hard with old RA´s but in grp rvr Hybrid charackters become useless.
so in the end i cant decide which RA´s i want have new , or old both are interresting in their own form .

rvr zone can stay OF if the players change (and some custom changes like bigger xp bonus / spots and/or a rp bonus for the realmzone from the realm with the most captured keeps (for example mid haves2 more keeps than the hibs so in emain will be 2%less rps and in mid 2% more rps ) )


greetings -l- Edgtho -l-

Amirana wrote:Why is RvR concentrated to Emain mg´s? Because the staff made it like that?

Sorry, but I do not agree to that. As it is the players who run there for quick RP or death. Not seen any post yet to revive any other zone from the comunity itself.

There is one tiny difference. Uthgard population is like 4 or 5 times smaller than it used to be during live OF. I don't remember how many people RvR'ed compared to the total pop back then but it's not that high here.

On busy nights Emain is a bit crowded and at that point moving to other zones might be a good idea but 90% of the time there's just not enough people to spread over other zones. No warmap doesn't help either.

I love OF far more than NF, and its the far better zone for all type of gamestyles. Theres just some adjustments needed..as u all probably remember Agramon has been customized alot too before it got more crowded. I have the hope, that this will happen here too.

http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... 32&t=19760

This is actually what has to be done in my and many other's point of view. So lets see what the Staff will do about it.

Griselda

Will it conflict with any rules if I post here something like "I´ll duo around arvakr or solo at odins gate today from 900 to 1100, feel welcome to join" ?
Only rule I am aware of at least bordering is the cross-realming perhaps, as the info doesn´t have any real influence on RvR and I at least do not intend to duell only 1 player at a certain spot but suggest an area for as many as wanna join I may be allowed to try that when I get 50?

We will allow such posts if you make the area big enough for it to be a search to find you. In general specific areas (milegates, keeps, etc) are not big enough and zones are areas big enough.

Allowed:

I will be in odins after 19.00 gmt+1

(Zone + Time)

I won't be in the hib or alb rvr zone tonight

(Zone)

I want to duo in hadrians tonight

(Zone)

Normally when I solo I go near the milegates and the roads between them

(Normal routines)

Not allowed:

You can find me at HPK - Odins from 19.00 to 22.00

(Specific area + time)

I will try and solo at HMG hadrians tonight

(Amount of players + Specific area)

Me and X will be at AMG tonight

(Specific area + Amount of persons)

These are just some examples and does not cover the full range of posts we might act on.

On a side note:

The 2v2, 3v3, etc. events are perfectly fine, as long as they are not kept as tournaments / duel events.
We want RvR, however we will allow players to inform others about the normal behavior of a specific player type (solo's, 8v8, zerg, etc.).

However remember that every GM is allowed to his interpretation of the rules and what he finds crossing the limit of acceptable intel. So if a GM says that a certain intel is pushing the limits or over the limits of what is acceptable a reference to this thread is not a valid excuse for questioning his interpretation of our rules. If you feel however that a GM takes the rules too serious or not serious enough, please direct this issue to Nayru instead of arguing with the GM in the moment of the confrontation.