i've seen very well over the last 2-3 years the state of midgard and it's community. i do not play the other realms. the one glaringly obvious thing i've seen in recent times is how badly the current relic system is hurting midgard's community. as it stands midgard no longer has a community. midgard has twice the population it had 2 years ago but half the active guilds and alliances.

xrealming in itself isn't the problem. it will always happen. my point is the way this relic system is set is a terrible multiplier to the problem and from my eyes it has hit midgard the hardest.

Jezzmin wrote:why is this a midgard-problem in particular?...every realm has to deal with xrealming

Stop twisting words as it suits you.

He never said it was only a problem in Midgard,
he only said that it was a problem in Midgard.

Big difference, and why should he care about how it is in other realms,
if he does not play there?


Realm pride is nonexistant for the most part,
but there are exceptions.

darmas wrote:

Astealoth wrote:say what you wish but this current system it is not possible for midgard to get a relic. after dozens of tries i can say this as fact. i have seen the /who 1 50 count drop by half when i've called for a relic raid. the extreme levels of xrealming caused by this relic system has crippled midgard. i really think it could use some attention. a very large part of the community would rather log an alb toon and farm us than join my BG.

Again, my advice is to never advertise that we are about to take Relic.
There was sumilar problems on Live-Excalibur server, we had Spy's in each realm, so people kept raids in secret.

Organize in secret and gl

how do you organize in secret when the community has crumbled so far that you no longer know anyone in the realm? it is impossible to organize a private relic raid in midgard. there is not one single active alliance with enough trustable people to do it alone. in midgard you would need 3 or 4 different alliances banding together to fight a 100 man albzerg. propose to me how this is done in secret. im listening.

Your last try on alb relic keep only was wiped by players whn first door was down and only came the 2 fg that was on emain and some randoms , i was a random, and i was the first on keep after 5 min of spam, no spy no xrealm to defend , mids only had few players there to win nothing more

Astealoth wrote:how do you organize in secret when the community has crumbled so far that you no longer know anyone in the realm? it is impossible to organize a private relic raid in midgard. there is not one single active alliance with enough trustable people to do it alone. in midgard you would need 3 or 4 different alliances banding together to fight a 100 man albzerg. propose to me how this is done in secret. im listening.

I dont have the solution, only a sujestion. before you meantioned people loggin to other realms when you meantioned to work "relic".

Ive been in midgard a few weeks now, i quit my chars on the other realm because i wanted to play this realm. from what ive seen these last weeks (not in rvr since i have not dinged 50) is that there is a lack of community, big guilds(plural) banding together and an alliance to connect them as a big realm.
I do not see that the solution is to change the relic situation, it works and has always worked.

from my point of view it seems like its the people playing the realm is the only solution you got.

Find some active players with leaderskills, get some officers with organizational skills, merge the small active guilds to a few big ones, and earn some realm pride.

At the moment the only activeness i see from standing on the side is people farming money in DF, Items from Tajendi raid, and PUG groups in emain/DF. most of this is what i see as "own profit" which is needed because its your own job to build your char. but its a far stretch from earning some Realm Pride..

Someone want to form the new midgard guild, <REALM PRIDE>?

Dar

As Astealot sayd:

U cant organize it in Broad.

U cant organize it in Secret- even if you use the /send, you dont know u can trust him.

And: Bears in Raumarik > all -.-

I try it much Times.. to much. And right, it is a Midgard only Problem, because some Elites do her own thing, and casuals are to lazy or farm Emeralds in DF.

Realm Pride Guild?

Iam on it!

greetings

its kinda true, mids have a problem...i often was in midgard when they tryed to form a relicraid...i remember only 1 raid with much participants...(and no..i do not inform albion if i get knowledge

all other where canceled because of lack of ppl (less than 3FG after a lot of advertising)
or..
the raid started with less PP and failed because of that..

the leveler prefered to stay at their level spots..
the Fotm-groups in RvR gave a ****** on the calls and did not appear..
the only ppl who came where the level 50s who are not in the Fotm-group.

what you expect with such a realm-mentality? its logical that you will fail if you cant motivate the ppl to attend the raids. dont know why mids cant bring ppl to a raid, but were able to bring 5-7FG+ to emain in the spring..

and THATS the problem of mid...not the current system.


have a look on alb..if we raid relics then we do it with a lot ppl as some ppl already said.
and the dutys there are splitted..
in alb we have an overall-leader
we have a tank-leader
we have a GT-assist-leader (mostly me with my Lady)

and i bet its kinda similar in hib..

that problem don't depends on Guards. Guards can be killed by 1 fg. The really problem is the alb over population, and that will increase same when OLD RAs will be on. Keep are already nerfed, like I see there is missing stealther guard, caster guard and healer guard. The only thing that can maybe be done it's putting little xp bonus on mid or hib to encourage ppl to roll a char on that realm. And, if I'm correct, i remember some month ago when mids got all relics, with just Anguish FG and maybe Drachengarde Zerg around.

as far as relic raids are concearned, you could always tell me. I also play only in midgard and can guarantee no one of DG would send x-realm infos to other realms.

I would prefer a few days of planing though, as we have events and a weekly sg and stuff. And we are not such a big guild as we used to be anymore. So it can be we are not in the mood or enough for a spontaneous reli raid.

I don't like to participate in reli raids announced via broad anymore, too many frustrating experiences. But i am always in for a good organised and planed reli raid.

A first step would be to gather enough guilds who can guarantee no x-realm infos, and try a relic raid with just these guilds.

A succesful raid is often not a matter of the number of people, if the gates are open quick enough after the warning and without any x-realm info 3 fg can be more than enough.

maybe mid should organize a base for relic raid, like 3 fgs. When they start to kill guards and door they should spam on board, so anyway people on Mid can't log Alb soon.

Please take those relics back, it's getting boring to have 50 albs in emain for 16 hibs and 8 mids...

There are 3 ways to get relics:

1) brute force: 100+ player are hard to stop

2) unholy raid time: between 1 a.m. to 4 a.m. GMT+2 weekdays the chance to succeed with ~3 grp is not too bad.

3) skill: a well planed prime time relic raid with about 3-4 fg is possible i think.
You need a sneaky approach to the relic without any x-realm info, battle ram at the first gate, combined with one more siege ram to a war ram at second gate (faster than to build a war ram at each gate) while stealthers already build a war ram at 3rd gate, 3 ram builders/combiners who know what they are doing, a few stealther scouts in and around the keep, people who listen (best all in teamspeak) and do what the leader tell's them.

problem with midgard relic try's so far... they where none of these

Maybe we should stick with option 2) at first, as it is the easiest and with the highest chance of success.

holsten-knight wrote:2) unholy raid time: between 1 a.m. to 4 a.m. GMT+2 weekdays the chance to succeed with ~3 grp is not too bad.

sure? that's sorta prime time for the us-players (2 am GMT+2 should be like 5 pm to 8 pm there)...maybe I overrate the amount of us-players on this server but I really think there's quite a lot of them not even taking into account australian players which should be awake at this time already (just like the asian ones which are very few though, imho)...