could i get download link aswell ?

Jarysa wrote:Decent hib setups are impossible anyway. Mainly because there is no good rupt class and no QC root in hib.

THANK YOU for this ^^ at least one that agrees that hibs are not just stupid noobs that have no clue how to play xD

wow ,.. think panche made a nice conclusion , everything said. xD

well of course I don't agree with hibs:p
for me enchant may bring damage but damage isn't the issue, if you manage the kite better (or push) you will win eventually, alb casters do crappy damage and the only way to kill mid groups is by pulling their silly trolls too far away, killing a troll takes about 10 secs..., hibs have a freakin awesome NS and they complain about pets that get 1 shot...
Playing hib shouldn't be harder than any other realm, that's my point of view

Elayia wrote:well of course I don't agree with hibs:p
for me enchant may bring damage but damage isn't the issue, if you manage the kite better (or push) you will win eventually, alb casters do crappy damage and the only way to kill mid groups is by pulling their silly trolls too far away, killing a troll takes about 10 secs..., hibs have a freakin awesome NS and they complain about pets that get 1 shot...
Playing hib shouldn't be harder than any other realm, that's my point of view

Wow, that is a bad conclusion derived from the worst argument on this thread. Thank you for putting absolutely no effort of thinking about anything.

Panchos wrote:

Elayia wrote:well of course I don't agree with hibs:p
for me enchant may bring damage but damage isn't the issue, if you manage the kite better (or push) you will win eventually, alb casters do crappy damage and the only way to kill mid groups is by pulling their silly trolls too far away, killing a troll takes about 10 secs..., hibs have a freakin awesome NS and they complain about pets that get 1 shot...
Playing hib shouldn't be harder than any other realm, that's my point of view

Wow, that is a bad conclusion derived from the worst argument on this thread. Thank you for putting absolutely no effort of thinking about anything.

100% agree ,..
since in alb hybrid grps they will nuke vs 0% resists (+ or - amor resists if impemented)
and hib hybrid groups without ench vs alb grps will nuke on 26% resists (+ or - amor resists if implemtented) [im pretty sure they are implemented]

so sorry you are very wrong that alb caster will deal more dmg

or do you suggest a setup like: bard/druid/druid/bm/hero/ward/ment/eld?

if so ,.. mages will do around the same amount of dmg ,.. but tbh ,.. who ever run with this setup will fail imo ;P even harder than with more reasonable setups

not even mentioning how this setup might do vs mid setups ^^

and btw ,.. i prefer running a split spec eld in hybrid grps ,.. since the only reason to go full light is to get a 65% NS instead of 55% which is useless to get when you can also get the petclear ability and snare aoe and a desease that doesnt resist with mof2 like 30% of each time you cast it

maybe you awesome KT/ae dwa/alb players should roll a hib caster grp and show us how to kite alb groups which are not kitable ,if well played, since they got the range advantage

tell me how to kite a grp with more range plz

and btw i dont complain about low level druid pets that get oneshot ,..

but about a non counterable bugged caby pet , since confusion isnt working right.

everything in daoc gotta counter

thats what daoc is all about

karsten once told me , you know ;P

and instead of showing up arguments that you didnt think throu well , you could open up your mind, and stop saying *we re just the better players, and all hibs are noobs*

but i agree , hib got many *unskilled* players, same as alb and mid xD

Feelit wrote:100% agree ,..
since in alb hybrid grps they will nuke vs 0% resists (+ or - amor resists if impemented)
and hib hybrid groups without ench vs alb grps will nuke on 26% resists (+ or - amor resists if implemtented) [im pretty sure they are implemented]

Albs never nuke on 0% resists unless you run without SC... And armor resists, lol ?
Anyway spec DD on 26% resists > base DD on 11% resists.

or do you suggest a setup like: bard/druid/druid/bm/hero/ward/ment/eld?

In fact I was suggesting bard/druid/druid/menta/eld/bm/bm/vw or champ (not sure which one is better).
I don't see why bother with a hero on uth, a BM can do everything a hero can do and deal more damage when needed + charge.

if so ,.. mages will do around the same amount of dmg ,.. but tbh ,.. who ever run with this setup will fail imo ;P even harder than with more reasonable setups

not even mentioning how this setup might do vs mid setups ^^

I'm sure they would fail at least for some time, not because the setup is weak but because not everyone would know how to play it.
Against mid you should be able to drop the extended zerks with 3 slash tanks. It's true the casters won't drop anything on their own but they have other utility and can help dropping tanks' target.

and btw ,.. i prefer running a split spec eld in hybrid grps ,.. since the only reason to go full light is to get a 65% NS instead of 55% which is useless to get when you can also get the petclear ability and snare aoe and a desease that doesnt resist with mof2 like 30% of each time you cast it

In hybrid setup you need spec DD.

maybe you awesome KT/ae dwa/alb players should roll a hib caster grp and show us how to kite alb groups which are not kitable ,if well played, since they got the range advantage

tell me how to kite a grp with more range plz

You don't kite them. And that's why I'm suggesting hybrid setup instead of full caster. Anyway I'm just suggesting, not forcing anyone to try ^^

Why do you take this in an angry way, noone is taunting or anything, the only people complaining are you (hibs).
I'm just saying my point of view which you take for some kind of criticism...

You guys must be right, alb rox, hib sux, mid is imba anyway, good luck in your crappy realm, keep playing your own way.

Don't talk about opening our minds, you are the ones stating that hib is bad without trying different setups, when reallly you put so much effort in convincing the world you are destined to lose anyway


If you don't want any kind of advice or anything, why do you bother posting

good luck to you

Hedra wrote:Albs never nuke on 0% resists unless you run without SC... And armor resists, lol ?
Anyway spec DD on 26% resists > base DD on 11% resists.

so your caby is never using the 30% body debuff?
why not?
i saw the KT/ae dwa caby using body debuff on me severeal times
26%-30% mhhh ,.. that not 0%?
theurgs almost never cast dds since its more reasonable to cast pets ;P
but sorc caby assist can deal alot of dmg aswell

Hedra wrote:In fact I was suggesting bard/druid/druid/menta/eld/bm/bm/vw or champ (not sure which one is better).
I don't see why bother with a hero on uth, a BM can do everything a hero can do and deal more damage when needed + charge.

hero for DD , way better deffer and the dmg difference isnt that much
so DD vs charge

Hedra wrote:I'm sure they would fail at least for some time, not because the setup is weak but because not everyone would know how to play it.
Against mid you should be able to drop the extended zerks with 3 slash tanks. It's true the casters won't drop anything on their own but they have other utility and can help dropping tanks' target.

okay valewalker bm bm kills mid offtanks in the backlines mages will rupt or assist in that time , and you let the bard and 2 druids alone with 4-6 other mids? great idea seriously.

Hedra wrote:In hybrid setup you need spec DD.

not with an ench ;P and its better for petclear aswell (splitspec)
and btw the spec dd does 20-50 more dmg than the base , at least debuffed ;P
guess like 50-100 more when not debuffed...

Hedra wrote:You don't kite them. And that's why I'm suggesting hybrid setup instead of full caster. Anyway I'm just suggesting, not forcing anyone to try ^^

i already wrote i prefer hybrid or tank setup vs KT ,.. with hybrid setup you gotta tiny chance ,, with tank setup a quite good,...
but then you suck vs good mid grps

and i wanted to know of elayia how we can *improve* our kite ,..
since he said we should learn to kite better , but we ve already kited like hell
,.. but imo its no use , imo you cant kite alb grps due to the fact that they got the range advantage.
but since elayia said we should learn to kite better , i ask : how? xD
well only possibility is an anmist to make kiting possible

Elayia wrote:Why do you take this in an angry way, noone is taunting or anything, the only people complaining are you (hibs).
I'm just saying my point of view which you take for some kind of criticism...

i dont take it in any angry way , i just state my opinion aswell.
and it is criticism , and i love critisism , as long as it leads to something useful, but it doesnt, since we tested almost any setup thats possible.

Elayia wrote:You guys must be right, alb rox, hib sux, mid is imba anyway, good luck in your crappy realm, keep playing your own way.

well how about the counter thing : daoc is a game where everything gotta counter ,.. point. but some alb stuff isnt counterable ;P (working confusion for cabby pets would be awesome)
so yes ,.. i state that alb is more easy than hib

Elayia wrote:Don't talk about opening our minds, you are the ones stating that hib is bad without trying different setups, when reallly you put so much effort in convincing the world you are destined to lose anyway

these few posts are nothing compared to what i ve tried in game ^^

Elayia wrote:If you don't want any kind of advice or anything, why do you bother posting

well im thirsty for advices ,... but just for useful :-/

Elayia wrote:good luck to you

Thanks

and sorry if i sound offensive ;P

Well I believe cc is the key, it sure was hard playing against the animist setup, and when druids were more offensive and droped more roots.
Ichor is also a big pain in the ass. And please don't thuink ns is useless, we don't have purge up every time and we get NS twice in a fight...

But I think you should push the alb hybrid setup with a hybrid setup of your own, mids do it with the rm/bd setup and it works pretty well, even with blue ns and medium range. I can't speak for hibs/mids fights so I won't

when a theurgist kites, he uses DD often (at least brouteney does, and it helps a lot)


Isn't confusion dedicated to charmed pets? was never meant for caba/sm/ench pets

Feelit wrote:well how about the counter thing : daoc is a game where everything gotta counter ,.. point. but some alb stuff isnt counterable ;P (working confusion for cabby pets would be awesome)
so yes ,.. i state that alb is more easy than hib

So you can't insta kill caba pet and suddenly it makes albion easier than hibs? is that so
You guys sure see the game in all its globality,

I'm still trying to figure out how to counter ichor... maybe with confusion?

every realm has got its avantages, and flaws, just don't say that caba pet is the one thing that prevents hibs from winning that's just silly

Feelit wrote:

Hedra wrote:Albs never nuke on 0% resists unless you run without SC... And armor resists, lol ?
Anyway spec DD on 26% resists > base DD on 11% resists.

so your caby is never using the 30% body debuff?
why not?
i saw the KT/ae dwa caby using body debuff on me severeal times
26%-30% mhhh ,.. that not 0%?
theurgs almost never cast dds since its more reasonable to cast pets ;P
but sorc caby assist can deal alot of dmg aswell

You have obviously no idea how resist debuffs work, sad for an enchanter

Hedra wrote:I'm sure they would fail at least for some time, not because the setup is weak but because not everyone would know how to play it.
Against mid you should be able to drop the extended zerks with 3 slash tanks. It's true the casters won't drop anything on their own but they have other utility and can help dropping tanks' target.

okay valewalker bm bm kills mid offtanks in the backlines mages will rupt or assist in that time , and you let the bard and 2 druids alone with 4-6 other mids? great idea seriously.

Right... if you play with mobs. I guess this tactic works only on alb because we have OP unkillable theurgists ?

Jarysa wrote:Decent hib setups are impossible anyway. Mainly because there is no good rupt class and no QC root in hib.

And they can't be dwarves. HURRDURR

Elayia wrote:Why do you take this in an angry way, noone is taunting or anything, the only people complaining are you (hibs).
I'm just saying my point of view which you take for some kind of criticism...

You guys must be right, alb rox, hib sux, mid is imba anyway, good luck in your crappy realm, keep playing your own way.

Don't talk about opening our minds, you are the ones stating that hib is bad without trying different setups, when reallly you put so much effort in convincing the world you are destined to lose anyway


If you don't want any kind of advice or anything, why do you bother posting

good luck to you

because your argument was as good as someone's who played this game only one week...in other words, you gave absolutely nothing that would suffice as "advice", and instead it came off as another misinformed person who simply tells hibs that they are wrong.