My question is:

All players who are zerging now, will stop do it with NF?

Loose from the zone issue you can't deny that the current keeps are pretty much cr*p. I mean you can't target anything when standing outside and the other way aroud is just as misrable. Also the fact that your only option is ramming the door doesn't make it easier to come up with a good tactic to avoid being out camped by a shroom fest or a theurg pet hell.

IF you want to keep the OF keeps I'd sugest you atleast expand the gaps between the walls (so you can easier aim in both directions) & that when seated in ram you can't be targeted by people from above (= rl).

Perhaps only dmg dealt from the same or simmilar height (small level differences) should be taken into account when trying to dmg/cc people inside the ram thus making it working properly like it should work.

However not sure how gtae spells could be taking in account cause the point of impact isn't a person in the ram itself but the ground underneath him (Ylevel would be the same) so this would still dmg the people ramming the gate giving at least some 'edge' to defending troops.
Shrooms will probably work somewhat simmilar to gtae, however not sitting on wall they can be killed by melee.

Double post

actually old frontier keeps makes it possible to defend better with a small group, which is alot of fun..

but i guess most of you wanna zerg everywhere lol

Yeah so umm... people want to zerg and that's why they're opposed to OF. Mental note: Next time when reading Ironbergs posts - shield eyes from brilliance.

Ironberg wrote:actually old frontier keeps makes it possible to defend better with a small group, which is alot of fun..

You must be trolling.

I actually don't play any kind of keep action now in OF and I haven't been around in NF to know it well.

Is there a lot a keep action, meaning attacking and defending now in OF...?

Because even though I was waiting for OF like many, I think NF makes keep action more available.
My question is...
I would like to know if in NF there were more people goiing rvr ( like low ranks soloers and small groups) because there was this kind of keep action that now has disappeared leading to an empty emain :p

What is a shame in my opinion is that keep raiding isn't part of any rvr action, it is totally seperate from emain and group vs group action

What is your opinion about this?

Nymeros you dont wanna go into a flame war you cant win son..

and seyha.. downs syndrom anyone?!?!?

Ironberg wrote:Nymeros you dont wanna go into a flame war you cant win son..

and seyha.. downs syndrom anyone?!?!?

Ironberg, i just moved one insulting topic of yours into our trash and now i see this posting here. Learn to behave or you will get a forum ban. First and final warning.

Camulos

For people like us who like to take keeps in order to provoke counter attack and so RvR actions, OF keeps are really not funny. You can't decently defend them except by rushing. There is no mean to attack from wall, just wait that the other group crush the door and enter or zerg outside during raming.

But I have the hard impression that this discussion is useless as already done 4 billions time. In addition, staff promitted us to improve something in the next futur, we try to be patient :p

For Lord, only players who can climb wall can attack 1 lord per realm without opening doors just because 1 of keep for each realm has both doors closing external wall. No cheat, no aggro zone too large

Elayia wrote:I actually don't play any kind of keep action now in OF and I haven't been around in NF to know it well.

Is there a lot a keep action, meaning attacking and defending now in OF...?

Because even though I was waiting for OF like many, I think NF makes keep action more available.
My question is...
I would like to know if in NF there were more people goiing rvr ( like low ranks soloers and small groups) because there was this kind of keep action that now has disappeared leading to an empty emain :p

What is a shame in my opinion is that keep raiding isn't part of any rvr action, it is totally separate from emain and group vs group action

What is your opinion about this?

Hi Elaya,

Technically speaking the NF mechanics offer more possibilities, as for playing and coding. Since in OF keep are part of the map itself, which make change on them almost impossible.
The second point is that at side of keep, there was some towers implemented, which made the possibility for small group to raid enemy entities while bigger group could focus on main keep.

Concerning Uthgard, the end game RvR population was in general not that big, either in NF or OF (compared to live), and there was much more action for solo, duo, as well as group fight. Zerg existed but probably not as much as now.
Also, since change from NF (agra) to OF took place approximately when the server became more famous and populated, it's difficult to say if that the change of end game RvR place, or the end of live server which brought so many peoples.

However, behind the fact that i don't like OF, my suggestion was to shrink the aggro range of Keep Lord at least, and keep guards at best.

Regards,
Pirith.

yea i forgot, im not german, sorry.

Pirith wrote:

Elayia wrote:I actually don't play any kind of keep action now in OF and I haven't been around in NF to know it well.

Is there a lot a keep action, meaning attacking and defending now in OF...?

Because even though I was waiting for OF like many, I think NF makes keep action more available.
My question is...
I would like to know if in NF there were more people goiing rvr ( like low ranks soloers and small groups) because there was this kind of keep action that now has disappeared leading to an empty emain :p

What is a shame in my opinion is that keep raiding isn't part of any rvr action, it is totally separate from emain and group vs group action

What is your opinion about this?

Hi Elaya,

Technically speaking the NF mechanics offer more possibilities, as for playing and coding. Since in OF keep are part of the map itself, which make change on them almost impossible.
The second point is that at side of keep, there was some towers implemented, which made the possibility for small group to raid enemy entities while bigger group could focus on main keep.

Concerning Uthgard, the end game RvR population was in general not that big, either in NF or OF (compared to live), and there was much more action for solo, duo, as well as group fight. Zerg existed but probably not as much as now.
Also, since change from NF (agra) to OF took place approximately when the server became more famous and populated, it's difficult to say if that the change of end game RvR place, or the end of live server which brought so many peoples.

However, behind the fact that i don't like OF, my suggestion was to shrink the aggro range of Keep Lord at least, and keep guards at best.

Regards,
Pirith.

I would like to add that intrest in keep taking has declined rapidly after change NF -> OF. And this is in my opnion due to the fact that the vast majority of players are 8vs8 minded (I'm simmilar to this, but not completly, I just want fair fights.) and are reluctant to do any keep taking or even a nice RR cause of the easy 8vs8 action they can have @ emain.

eg.
Yesterday evening there were 40+ (non anon) Mids in Emain with almost no inc, I tried to gather some of the FG's to go do RR and provoke ennemies to get some RP's and action, but none of them wanted to, they just wanted to keep running 8vs8 in an almost void Emain.

And this was less in NF times due to a bigger 'playground' and the best way to get your ennemies to find you was attacking/taking tower or even a quick keep attack.
And almost anyone above lvl45 could help defend tower/keep thus leading into more players into battle but thats all gone now and replaced by roaming between mmg > amg > Breif > amg > mmg (loop)

Not saying that I want NF back, but I just want more keep utillity and keep action like their was in NF

Create OF AND NF and look where's more action. Better than ANY Poll.

Finalement wrote:Create OF AND NF and look where's more action. Better than ANY Poll.

This.