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Postby Smokey » Jul 08, 2010 11:29


i guess only 1% of daoc pugs are running desticked, but its the best way :-D
i never stick :-D


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Postby splitfire » Jul 09, 2010 17:32

Hedra wrote:Or people who see all the issues this will cause instead of focusing only on the few good sides. Looks like the people for old ras just say "yeeehh no more charge/sos/purge3" and don't care about the rest. But we're just moving from a broken system to an even more broken one.
Though saying that CC doesn't mean anything because of purge3 is totally retarded imo.. Maybe a bit true for solos but for groups that's senseless.


Like what issues? Moving from a broken system to a more broken system? I find it strange that new ra's without ToA can even been considered fair or not "broken. Forget hybrids, forget charge, purge yadda yadda. I think the casters if anything really need this. Mastery of the Art will benefit them greatly. No ToA makes new ra's very unbalanced since some RA's were offloaded into artifacts that we don't have. In short casters get the shaft currently, while hybrids destroy our faces (CHARGE!), and rangers pwn them.

your a RR8 druid, and going to lose BoF over this, i can see why your upset. Unfortunatly players were allowed to play in this current server config. Of course its going to be like taking crack from a crackhead when the server converts to Old RA's.

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Postby Nymeros » Jul 09, 2010 18:43

Hybrids destroy you with Charge. Excellent.

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Postby splitfire » Jul 10, 2010 01:41

Nymeros wrote:Hybrids destroy you with Charge. Excellent.


well its what happens after charge :D

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Postby Ciubhran » Jul 10, 2010 02:05

No, what he means is hybrids don't get charge.

The word you are looking for is 'light tank', or Merc/BM/Zerk.

Not hybrid.
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Postby splitfire » Jul 10, 2010 07:32

Ciubhran wrote:No, what he means is hybrids don't get charge.

The word you are looking for is 'light tank', or Merc/BM/Zerk.

Not hybrid.


ahh sorry wrong term I was using

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Postby Hedra » Jul 10, 2010 13:27

splitfire wrote:
Hedra wrote:Or people who see all the issues this will cause instead of focusing only on the few good sides. Looks like the people for old ras just say "yeeehh no more charge/sos/purge3" and don't care about the rest. But we're just moving from a broken system to an even more broken one.
Though saying that CC doesn't mean anything because of purge3 is totally retarded imo.. Maybe a bit true for solos but for groups that's senseless.


Like what issues? Moving from a broken system to a more broken system? I find it strange that new ra's without ToA can even been considered fair or not "broken. Forget hybrids, forget charge, purge yadda yadda. I think the casters if anything really need this. Mastery of the Art will benefit them greatly. No ToA makes new ra's very unbalanced since some RA's were offloaded into artifacts that we don't have. In short casters get the shaft currently, while hybrids destroy our faces (CHARGE!), and rangers pwn them.

your a RR8 druid, and going to lose BoF over this, i can see why your upset. Unfortunatly players were allowed to play in this current server config. Of course its going to be like taking crack from a crackhead when the server converts to Old RA's.

No, it won't help casters... Once they get red nearsight they can pretty much go afk for 1min30 if their 30min purge isn't up. Healing classes will have ****** heals/no DI and won't be able to keep a caster alive from a good assist.

What issues ?
- Retarded nearsight
- Slow heals, basically all healer classes will become spread bots.
- Hybrids useless
- Will bring a lot of bugs (just look at animist implementation... all spells implemented, half of the class is still bugged and no one fixing it)
- Impossible to test them. How many of those RAs will stay bugged forever because it will be impossible to bring proof they are ?
- Wrong RA info even on official herald (see the imaginary 2 seconds cast speed cap for mastery of the art...)
- And countless other bugs are being totally ignored meanwhile (defense penetration, rupt system and a lot of basic game mechanics)

And in my personal opinion, being overpowered every 30 minutes because of RAs is just stupid. People saying "SKILL WILL DECIDE" make me smile, if one group has all RAs up and the other one nothing, guess who wins. (also those considering nearsighting as skill :lol:)

I know that charge and SOS suck in the current system and yes I'd like to see them removed. But I'd rather keep them that having those stupid old RAs; or at least fix nearsight and hybrids utility would be a minimum of custom changes to do for class balance.

By the way I haven't played druid for over a year and losing BOF on it is the last of my concern.
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Postby Maidrion » Jul 10, 2010 14:19

Hedra wrote:No, it won't help casters... Once they get red nearsight they can pretty much go afk for 1min30 if their 30min purge isn't up. Healing classes will have [I am a little bunny and like flowers] heals/no DI and won't be able to keep a caster alive from a good assist.

What issues ?
- Retarded nearsight
- Slow heals, basically all healer classes will become spread bots.
- Hybrids useless
- Will bring a lot of bugs (just look at animist implementation... all spells implemented, half of the class is still bugged and no one fixing it)
- Impossible to test them. How many of those RAs will stay bugged forever because it will be impossible to bring proof they are ?
- Wrong RA info even on official herald (see the imaginary 2 seconds cast speed cap for mastery of the art...)
- And countless other bugs are being totally ignored meanwhile (defense penetration, rupt system and a lot of basic game mechanics)

And in my personal opinion, being overpowered every 30 minutes because of RAs is just stupid. People saying "SKILL WILL DECIDE" make me smile, if one group has all RAs up and the other one nothing, guess who wins. (also those considering nearsighting as skill :lol:)

I know that charge and SOS suck in the current system and yes I'd like to see them removed. But I'd rather keep them that having those stupid old RAs; or at least fix nearsight and hybrids utility would be a minimum of custom changes to do for class balance.

By the way I haven't played druid for over a year and losing BOF on it is the last of my concern.


Agree completely.

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Postby pantal00n » Jul 10, 2010 16:36

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Postby splitfire » Jul 10, 2010 17:25

great post Hedra, I see your points.

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Postby Finalement » Jul 10, 2010 19:43

Exactly Hedra.

Old RAs will cause an Emain with only Infis an NS...

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Postby Ciubhran » Jul 11, 2010 03:05

Having played both I find the current state of RvR far worse than it was live with the old RA system.

The statement where Hedra said something like "the team with all RAs up will always win vs the team with no RAs up".

WELL DERP DE-DERP! REALLY, SHERLOCK?

That is exactly what f'ucking happens right now too. The only difference is that RAs have lower cooldowns in NF.

I have said it before, and I am saying it again:

Stop with the f'ucking whine. Nobody really gives a f'uck about your opinions. The staff is already doing this, and it is being done. Done, done and done. Leave it. Your whine will not influence ANYTHING.

People managed before, people will manage again. If you can't adapt and manage, then go back to WoW.

Rage off. I am going to bed.

Done.
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Postby Hedra » Jul 11, 2010 04:17

Stop being f'ucking retarded. This is a public forum so I can discuss my f'ucking opinion. That you don't care, I don't give it a s'hit either. Just ignore it and go to bed already.

And you don't have to behave like a dick, by the way.
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Postby Salidor » Jul 11, 2010 07:37

Ciubhran wrote:Having played both I find the current state of RvR far worse than it was live with the old RA system.

The statement where Hedra said something like "the team with all RAs up will always win vs the team with no RAs up".

WELL DERP DE-DERP! REALLY, SHERLOCK?

That is exactly what f'ucking happens right now too. The only difference is that RAs have lower cooldowns in NF.

I have said it before, and I am saying it again:

Stop with the f'ucking whine. Nobody really gives a f'uck about your opinions. The staff is already doing this, and it is being done. Done, done and done. Leave it. Your whine will not influence ANYTHING.

People managed before, people will manage again. If you can't adapt and manage, then go back to WoW.

Rage off. I am going to bed.

Done.


Trying to win the hearts of the people? ^^

sorry if you got a point and like to add a comment its alot better if you use your head :+)

And now if a Leader tells his troops He dont care about others Ideas and Opinions what do you think is going to happen?

Now what if what Hedra's and alot of other statments hit the hearts of the Uthgard GMs and they desided that its not a good idea with the change. what are you going to do? ^^

it is there server, and they have the right to deside how it should be ran. but that doesnt mean they wont take all things into consideration, and maybe even change there ideas.

I for one is willing to give it a try ( Again ^^ ) but if i dont like it, I dont have to stay here either :+)...

I think personaly the Old RAs should be giving a test trail and if most of the server wishes for the Olds or New, say after 6 months then it should be setted by the wishing of the whole server.

Cussing and yelling wont solve anything. but p'isses people off ^^ and makes you look very very bad lol.

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Postby Ciubhran » Jul 11, 2010 08:42

I don't need people to like me.

People on the internet matters nothing to me.

I am tired of reading this ****** on the forum, since it has been "discussed" since the staff released the news. And it is clear that moaning and complaining doesn't solve ****** here. The staff does what the staff wants.

Period.
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