Jarysa wrote:Non hib caster grps will lose every time they encounter hibs with BAoD up. Who would want to play that?

gogo paper daoc

Tirax wrote:

Jezzmin wrote:

Tirax wrote:It will just cost 10-14 realmpoints to compensate the lack of poor class design.... Ah and the loose of blockpet. But Albion can do something every 30 mins. Yay OF is awesome....

u surely got it right that OF RAs will be implemented for all the 3 realms and not alb only?

And since when has mid/hib to spec points just for endurancemanagement?
And who is telling you to group a complete useless (on uthgard..) class just for thier 30min reuse abillity?.

Its sad enough, that the most effective group-build in Albion has to run around without 2nd demezz, speed5 or det-slambot.

Panchos wrote:Lol at qq from all the albs at how their realm will suck in 8v8....

welcome to hib!!

what a stupid, useless, 1 row-uthgard-stlye posting. Get rid of the ridicoulus internet slang and add something to the discussion or get lost.
Biased postings dont help here. Hib is already overpopulated just wait until OF and you will see nothing else.

Lol yeah that 1 row posting is SO UTHGARD. Give me a break....
Have you ever read an internet forum? My remark was just a light hearted joke, and the fact of the matter is that no matter what you say the GMs wont do anything. So there is no real "adding" to this discussion...

have you seen the way the GMs responded to valid 2h polearm dmg table testing? They simply shrug it off and say oh well we don't know if the dummies are implemented correctly so we will completely neglect your findings. They completely disregarded a player who was trying to test if the formulas were implemented correctly, and I just don't see them actually reading these forums and considering anything anyone writes here.

So don't go out on me with your snide overzealous comments when I wasn't saying anything negative towards you.

OF RA's will come and shift the balance of power in 8v8, get used to it. People played mid for so long (and now alb) because they found out what works and is OP, and the same will continue to happen. It's all tank spam and some see that now as ridiculous. YET the GMs didn't do anything for so long until these OF RA's and I doubt they are doing it to actually fix any imbalance but to make the server make sense as something that is not customized...which is just a way out of responsibility towards fixing imbalances and problems.

Jarysa wrote:I see at least 4 damage dealers there. 5 if the theurg is air.
Of course the cab is trispec. All you guys way overestimate mof.

Do you even play a caster on uth?

When I don't get a ressist chain, i do 200(-200) with my caba w/o debuff, and 300(-100) with 30% debuff, wile hibs do 500 with their 50% debuff on us...

Might as well count the clerics as damage dealers with smite

Braxis wrote:

Jarysa wrote:I see at least 4 damage dealers there. 5 if the theurg is air.
Of course the cab is trispec. All you guys way overestimate mof.

Do you even play a caster on uth?

When I don't get a ressist chain, i do 200(-200) with my caba w/o debuff, and 300(-100) with 30% debuff, wile hibs do 500 with their 50% debuff on us...

ye all those hib groups with wardens surely own you

http://herald.uthgard-server.net/herald ... lass&p6=46

or maybe you are just bad at daoc

Yea the above mentioned really has everything to do with skillz...

Learn to think imo.

Braxis wrote:

Jarysa wrote:I see at least 4 damage dealers there. 5 if the theurg is air.
Of course the cab is trispec. All you guys way overestimate mof.

Do you even play a caster on uth?

When I don't get a ressist chain, i do 200(-200) with my caba w/o debuff, and 300(-100) with 30% debuff, wile hibs do 500 with their 50% debuff on us...

unlike ments and enchanters, sorcs and cabbys have to do a job btw.
But he also counts armsman and evn thuergs as damagedealers so....
I wish jarysa would just play such a group, but i bet he is hib.

My prediction:

Good hib caster groups will have advantage over all other possible setups from mid/alb. This is mainly because of group purge if whole group gets cc:d or ns:ed.

Mid tank groups will be decent and relatively easy to play. Groups will run rm speed instead of skald.

Alb groups will do ok against tank groups once every 30 min...

i get group purge is nice but it seems you assume that mez always hit everyone in the group~ do people in 8v8 not scatter a little? i havent played much 8v8 i mostly solo but i just assumed part of 8v8 was panning and if you see a group you break apart except assist train so if caster/support gets mezzed its 1 or 2 people mezzed and if tanks get mezzed they have det/demezzers behind them

no, it was more like Rock-paper-scissors game... mid tank grps had a good chance against hib caster grps while hib caster grps did well against alb grps and alb grps with 2 times 50% bof did well against mid melee grps.

all influenced by skill and better inc/mezz and first of all which RA's are rdy for sure. But that was the basic rule.

edit: and it was still possible to build other grps in your realm than expectet. Which could turn all upside down. But the standard builds and fights were just like that, with all RA's up and normal inc without add.

Hibs will run RvR.
NS's will be the kings of emain.
Albs will zerg like crazy(this isn't any different than usuals)
Archers will be unplayable(minus Rangers, who are one of the most OP classes atm. But they will still be less than average and assassin food)

people found OF RA to be unplayable on eden, i wonder if the same will happen here

Tirax wrote:

Braxis wrote:

Jarysa wrote:I see at least 4 damage dealers there. 5 if the theurg is air.
Of course the cab is trispec. All you guys way overestimate mof.

Do you even play a caster on uth?

When I don't get a ressist chain, i do 200(-200) with my caba w/o debuff, and 300(-100) with 30% debuff, wile hibs do 500 with their 50% debuff on us...

unlike ments and enchanters, sorcs and cabbys have to do a job btw.
But he also counts armsman and evn thuergs as damagedealers so....
I wish jarysa would just play such a group, but i bet he is hib.

Played an alb hybrid group here.
Our casters had no trouble killing stuff.
Only thing that gave us trouble was sos/charge/aotg dump, which will be gone with old RAs.

learn to play

why everyoen complaining about friar is useles on alb setup even more on old ras.
yes they dont got det they dont ahve good damge they dont have good healing.they are nearly useles if you remvoe resist bufs.
but you forgeting except albs hibs and mdis generaly run 3 healing classes in theri setups.
mids ahve 2 healer 1 shamy(yes it si healer even tough they mostly rupt)stil they can remvoe diese and rezz.
hibs have 3 at least 2 druid 1 bard(mabe menta warden tough they are nto wanted)
and what albs get 2 clerics why couse friar is usels couse they cant heal rupt dd etc. etc. but you forgeting friar gives endurance(not in game term) to fights to made them on longer extent which albs shine on longer periods of fights at 8v8 with old ras.
couse albs ras desingned for longer fights isnted 1 -1,5 min fights.(whihc actualy lover enemys power endurance pools) and then they beging to shine.
so i newer leave a friar out of group first reson was mentioned above.
second friar is alright with out ras and with ras he can add some new toys like trip(30 sec ae snare) reflex atack(self only good for assit trains) hail of blows to join on assit train and with some rej skill on line(at least 24 rej )actualy they can give some time to their buf shearer clerics to shear out wheile they backup healing(can any other class on alb actualy heal and join on assti train?) with old ras cc will be uber yet healing will be mreo important as well.

Could you please read again what you have written before submiting ?