Maidrion wrote:You can't take pbaoe grps in the old times as a reference. Farming groups that are either crap and untemplated or just crap doesn't count for much.

what is going to interrupt your 100% magic resistance 3x purge bombtower? Tanks? wont hit the casters with your slambot + BT. Casters? Supps? get nearsight, 3pets, bard and druid interrupt. So what will you prevent to form your Baselinestun-debuff-nuke, ns+disease spamming ownage-tower?
You know how to qc-bl-stun i guess.

Why should that not work anymore?

We are talking about crappy OF-RAs, melees loose charge, casters have 30 min. purge.

We all have seen hibgrps doing this in OF, and not all enemys played like crap... they just hadnt any chance against baod+grp purge + bl stun +bombtower.

Tirax wrote:

Maidrion wrote:You can't take pbaoe grps in the old times as a reference. Farming groups that are either crap and untemplated or just crap doesn't count for much.

what is going to interrupt your 100% magic resistance 3x purge bombtower? Tanks? wont hit the casters with your slambot + BT. Casters? Supps? get nearsight, 3pets, bard and druid interrupt. So what will you prevent to form your Baselinestun-debuff-nuke, ns+disease spamming ownage-tower?
You know how to qc-bl-stun i guess.

Why should that not work anymore?

We are talking about crappy OF-RAs, melees loose charge, casters have 30 min. purge.

We all have seen hibgrps doing this in OF, and not all enemys played like crap... they just hadnt any chance against baod+grp purge + bl stun +bombtower.

That's theorycraft, all you need is one reaver or one caster with ae spells (pretty much any caster) who is free and a bomb tower is toast. You'll still get rupted even with BT up btw. I'm pretty sure any coordinated grp on vent will have little problems with a bomb grp, a kiting caster grp is another thing.

There's a vid from my old live server, Excalibur, Dem Hibbies who blow up everything with the exact same setup you described but their opponents make some obvious mistakes. Then again looking at the average skill level of people on Uthgard it might well work

Maidrion wrote:

Tirax wrote:

Maidrion wrote:You can't take pbaoe grps in the old times as a reference. Farming groups that are either crap and untemplated or just crap doesn't count for much.

what is going to interrupt your 100% magic resistance 3x purge bombtower? Tanks? wont hit the casters with your slambot + BT. Casters? Supps? get nearsight, 3pets, bard and druid interrupt. So what will you prevent to form your Baselinestun-debuff-nuke, ns+disease spamming ownage-tower?
You know how to qc-bl-stun i guess.

Why should that not work anymore?

We are talking about crappy OF-RAs, melees loose charge, casters have 30 min. purge.

We all have seen hibgrps doing this in OF, and not all enemys played like crap... they just hadnt any chance against baod+grp purge + bl stun +bombtower.

That's theorycraft, all you need is one reaver or one caster with ae spells (pretty much any caster) who is free and a bomb tower is toast. You'll still get rupted even with BT up btw. I'm pretty sure any coordinated grp on vent will have little problems with a bomb grp, a kiting caster grp is another thing.

There's a vid from my old live server, Excalibur, Dem Hibbies who blow up everything with the exact same setup you described but their opponents make some obvious mistakes. Then again looking at the average skill level of people on Uthgard it might well work

Theorycrafting is to Count on a Raver (i lold) who stand around mezzed, rooted or slamed Inside the pbae-tower. Jes and casters spamming AEs on bombtowers is something new, no one ever tried that before... 3 pets, bard+druid or nearsight or qc-stun? Is all theory i guess.

What albgroup do you Run? 2 clerics, reaver, merc, ministrel, theurg, cabby sorc? Good luck in killing anything with 1 det-tank.

The dem hibbis killed 2 set groups mids at once in a fight, but you are going to tell me they cant Play, arent you?

The things that destryed bombtowers were banelords and NF ST,TWF, charge and DI.

You can however kite the bombtower, this can work if no purges or baod is up.

I didnt mentioned the interrupting Bug who will favor bombtowers Even more. I Hope it get fixed.

Tirax wrote:

Maidrion wrote:

Tirax wrote:

Maidrion wrote:You can't take pbaoe grps in the old times as a reference. Farming groups that are either crap and untemplated or just crap doesn't count for much.

what is going to interrupt your 100% magic resistance 3x purge bombtower? Tanks? wont hit the casters with your slambot + BT. Casters? Supps? get nearsight, 3pets, bard and druid interrupt. So what will you prevent to form your Baselinestun-debuff-nuke, ns+disease spamming ownage-tower?
You know how to qc-bl-stun i guess.

Why should that not work anymore?

We are talking about crappy OF-RAs, melees loose charge, casters have 30 min. purge.

We all have seen hibgrps doing this in OF, and not all enemys played like crap... they just hadnt any chance against baod+grp purge + bl stun +bombtower.

That's theorycraft, all you need is one reaver or one caster with ae spells (pretty much any caster) who is free and a bomb tower is toast. You'll still get rupted even with BT up btw. I'm pretty sure any coordinated grp on vent will have little problems with a bomb grp, a kiting caster grp is another thing.

There's a vid from my old live server, Excalibur, Dem Hibbies who blow up everything with the exact same setup you described but their opponents make some obvious mistakes. Then again looking at the average skill level of people on Uthgard it might well work

Theorycrafting is to Count on a Raver (i lold) who stand around mezzed, rooted or slamed Inside the pbae-tower. Jes and casters spamming AEs on bombtowers is something new, no one ever tried that before... 3 pets, bard+druid or nearsight or qc-stun? Is all theory i guess.

What albgroup do you Run? 2 clerics, reaver, merc, ministrel, theurg, cabby sorc? Good luck in killing anything with 1 det-tank.

The dem hibbis killed 2 set groups mids at once in a fight, but you are going to tell me they cant Play, arent you?

The things that destryed bombtowers were banelords and NF ST,TWF, charge and DI.

No theory is assuming you're gonna lock down everything with support classes that are the worst out of all three realms when it comes to range/rupt. Do fear the pets that you either kill in one hit or stand in CC till forever.
You keep referring to qc cast stun, I take it you're one of the bunch who think hib is the casterrealm and that baseline stun is OP then?

They win that fight cause they use overpowered MoC and cause no the mids obviously weren't too bright. Just cause you were a guild grp and ran overpowered savages doesn't make you a good group. I'm not saying DH were not good, not at all, I'm saying bomb setups will always be inferior to a kite grp without relying on retarded OP OF RAs.

Maidrion wrote:

Tirax wrote:

Maidrion wrote:

Tirax wrote:

Maidrion wrote:You can't take pbaoe grps in the old times as a reference. Farming groups that are either crap and untemplated or just crap doesn't count for much.

what is going to interrupt your 100% magic resistance 3x purge bombtower? Tanks? wont hit the casters with your slambot + BT. Casters? Supps? get nearsight, 3pets, bard and druid interrupt. So what will you prevent to form your Baselinestun-debuff-nuke, ns+disease spamming ownage-tower?
You know how to qc-bl-stun i guess.

Why should that not work anymore?

We are talking about crappy OF-RAs, melees loose charge, casters have 30 min. purge.

We all have seen hibgrps doing this in OF, and not all enemys played like crap... they just hadnt any chance against baod+grp purge + bl stun +bombtower.

That's theorycraft, all you need is one reaver or one caster with ae spells (pretty much any caster) who is free and a bomb tower is toast. You'll still get rupted even with BT up btw. I'm pretty sure any coordinated grp on vent will have little problems with a bomb grp, a kiting caster grp is another thing.

There's a vid from my old live server, Excalibur, Dem Hibbies who blow up everything with the exact same setup you described but their opponents make some obvious mistakes. Then again looking at the average skill level of people on Uthgard it might well work

Theorycrafting is to Count on a Raver (i lold) who stand around mezzed, rooted or slamed Inside the pbae-tower. Jes and casters spamming AEs on bombtowers is something new, no one ever tried that before... 3 pets, bard+druid or nearsight or qc-stun? Is all theory i guess.

What albgroup do you Run? 2 clerics, reaver, merc, ministrel, theurg, cabby sorc? Good luck in killing anything with 1 det-tank.

The dem hibbis killed 2 set groups mids at once in a fight, but you are going to tell me they cant Play, arent you?

The things that destryed bombtowers were banelords and NF ST,TWF, charge and DI.

No theory is assuming you're gonna lock down everything with support classes that are the worst out of all three realms when it comes to range/rupt. Do fear the pets that you either kill in one hit or stand in CC till forever.
You keep referring to qc cast stun, I take it you're one of the bunch who think hib is the casterrealm and that baseline stun is OP then?

They win that fight cause they use overpowered MoC and cause no the mids obviously weren't too bright. Just cause you were a guild grp and ran overpowered savages doesn't make you a good group. I'm not saying DH were not good, not at all, I'm saying bomb setups will always be inferior to a kite grp. But you've proven more than once that your reading comprehension is not up to standard.

So Clerics are superior to bards and druids when it comes to interrupt?
ok... bards inferior to pachealers? lol? just because they got root and bl stun?...

You still wont get it arent you ? Of corse qc is oped whith nerfed healers and 30 min purge....

im not saying this group is unbeatable but it will be by far the strongest setup. Its like putting an icer-group and a cabby-group together and add 4 healer classes + a det-slambot. With the strongest RAs and every utillity you can have in this game. And you still wil be able to play kite if you have to.

Tirax wrote:So Clerics are superior to bards and druids when it comes to interrupt?
ok... bards inferior to pachealers? lol? just because they got root and bl stun?...

You still wont get it arent you ? Of corse qc is oped whith nerfed healers and 30 min purge....

im not saying this group is unbeatable but it will be by far the strongest setup. Its like putting an icer-group and a cabby-group together and add 4 healer classes + a det-slambot. With the strongest RAs and every utillity you can have in this game. And you still wil be able to play kite if you have to.

Uhm Pac-healers >>> bards when it comes to rupting. Castable amnesia and AE stun wipe the floor with a insta AE amne every 10 sec.

Tirax seems to be a player who thinks baseline stun is OP in 8v8 and doesnt know how to unstick on inc. Sure BAOD + MOC will win fights every 30 min against retard groups but a good kite group will whipe the floor against that setup every single time.

Panchos wrote:Tirax seems to be a player who thinks baseline stun is OP in 8v8 and doesnt know how to unstick on inc. Sure BAOD + MOC will win fights every 30 min against retard groups but a good kite group will whipe the floor against that setup every single time.

Blurpblurp ... insert random insult

and how again your "good kite group" build?

Zarkor wrote:

Tirax wrote:So Clerics are superior to bards and druids when it comes to interrupt?
ok... bards inferior to pachealers? lol? just because they got root and bl stun?...

You still wont get it arent you ? Of corse qc is oped whith nerfed healers and 30 min purge....

im not saying this group is unbeatable but it will be by far the strongest setup. Its like putting an icer-group and a cabby-group together and add 4 healer classes + a det-slambot. With the strongest RAs and every utillity you can have in this game. And you still wil be able to play kite if you have to.

Uhm Pac-healers >>> bards when it comes to rupting. Castable amnesia and AE stun wipe the floor with a insta AE amne every 10 sec.

Ahh ok the Uthgard bards dont have the 7 sec reuse dd which gives them the initiative against pacci every time.

Typical retarded 2 row responds if arguments are lacking.
You guys are really funny.

Tirax wrote:Ahh ok the Uthgard bards dont have the 7 sec reuse dd which gives them the initiative against pacci every time.

Typical retarded 2 row responds if arguments are lacking.
You guys are really funny.

Rofl yea, have fun beating a pacci when it comes to AE INTERRUPTING (since that's what this bard vs paci debate is about...) with a single insta DD that hasn't even got 1500 range.

If you sincerely believe a bard has an easier time (spot)rupting than a pachealer, you should just stop trying to make a point at all tbh.

bard dd is like range 750 or smth


Castable amnesia is an easy cure against moc towers.

Lol once mez immunity is up bard CC sucks its just spamming AE resists over and over while having some instant disrupts, while healers still have root and single target + ae stuns and a castable nearsight range amnesia. Bard is a better mezzer but not necessarily a better CCer and rupter.

my setup that i was talking about, tirax, is:

bard/druid/druid/hero/ench/eld/ment/animist or mana eld

i lol when you say 2nd chanter is better at rupting than another eld. Instant debuff interupt? LOL...chanter is a dmg class not a bd with pd 5 that runs head on into fights and sticks pets on support while using instant interupts. Your BAOD + warden rupts is a valid argument but I don't like making my groups completely reliant on an RA every 15 or 30 min (i dont remember BAOD timer in OF RA). I'd rather have a group that doesnt rely as much on blanket mezzing groups and bombing.

balanced group is still the best, pbae is great with old moc, but it wont work against a decent 8-man.

bard
druid
druid
hero
bm
eld (split)
chanter
bard/bm

CC is much more important in OF, 2 bards is spd 6 and you always have instats up....could throw a ment in that last spot, but remember we have group purge too, running a ment just for demezz is not viable, you only run a ment if u have a chanter for debuff....

I would much rather have the extra CC/interrupts and spd 6 with OF RAs

also remember no DI anymore, enemy healers actually have to play their characters again, the extra interrupts from the 2nd bard is huge. you are going to see a lot of the groups with the high RR support a LOT easier to kill.....you will very quickly learn which high RR support is good, and which is /played with DI3

ntc wrote:balanced group is still the best, pbae is great with old moc, but it wont work against a decent 8-man.

bard
druid
druid
hero
bm
eld (split)
chanter
bard/bm

CC is much more important in OF, 2 bards is spd 6 and you always have instats up....could throw a ment in that last spot, but remember we have group purge too, running a ment just for demezz is not viable, you only run a ment if u have a chanter for debuff....

I would much rather have the extra CC/interrupts and spd 6 with OF RAs

also remember no DI anymore, enemy healers actually have to play their characters again, the extra interrupts from the 2nd bard is huge. you are going to see a lot of the groups with the high RR support a LOT easier to kill.....you will very quickly learn which high RR support is good, and which is /played with DI3

Woot a smart uthgard player i like you! Running 2 bards in OF RA's will actually be a viable and good option now I agree.

yea only issue is finding 2 on at once

2 bards? lolno. You people just like wasting slots don't you. Would rather take a mentalist, pet+qc demez+damage and it has a single mez (long enough for mezzing nondet) and heals.