Seyha wrote:

Ronian wrote:430+170 crit

Do we really have to discuss why listing +crit damage as if it were base damage is misleading?

So I was comparing critshot with PA and critshot is already a 100% crit and cant crit anymore. Many assassins have mop3-4 and why the hell is it wrong to count it in? Happens often enough.

Btw Seyha go make your own Ranger 35 bow 35 stealth 40 PF 34 piercing and 27 cd. Without MOS5 and waiting everytime for camouflage. You wont have fun trust me. I began low RR as everyone and viper3 and leg weapons were around in the past.

Ronian wrote:Without MOS5 and waiting everytime for camouflage.

Why not? It works for Tzaaa. He doesn't even have to wait for camoflauge because there aren't enough camoflauged Hunters and Scouts around to make his life miserable. He can happily camp on AMG and farm RPs all day.

RR4 is easier for Rangers than most classes, and when you reach RR5-6 you have enough RAs to stand in front of AMG with camo off and no fear. I can't do that at RR7.

Ronian wrote:So I was comparing critshot with PA and critshot is already a 100% crit and cant crit anymore. Many assassins have mop3-4 and why the hell is it wrong to count it in? Happens often enough.

Even with MoP 5 an Assassin will critical on PA less than half the time, and the critical damage will have a huge variance.

Crit Shot is always a 100% critical.

You probably havent played much in NF back in the day, when leg weapons were around. The majority has been infs and many SBs too. Ranger wasnt played that much like nowadays (thanks to the qq threads).

Now, Tzaaaa doesnt always wait for camouflage but he kites a lot with his mos5. Low RR rangers (lol, stop talking all the time there are many rangers at amg. Some people cant actually distinguish between rangers and nightshades.) cant stay uncamouflaged at amg because they are probably not alone.

Ronian wrote:You probably havent played much in NF back in the day, when leg weapons were around. The majority has been infs and many SBs too. Ranger wasnt played that much like nowadays (thanks to the qq threads).

Funny you should say that, since I was one of the first people on the server to warn that Rangers are broken. qq threads have nothing to do with it. If a class is OP it is only a matter of time before it becomes fotm. The reason it took so long for the Ranger to become popular is because all the crying about Viper 3 made Assassins look like unbeatable gods of stealth. But they are not. Unlike the Ranger, Assassins have real weaknesses and they can be killed easily in the right situation.

Now, Tzaaaa doesnt always wait for camouflage but he kites a lot with his mos5.

Tzaaa was also RR4 at one time. I can't help but to laugh at all the PMs and tells I get from Ranger players telling me how wrong I am and that being a low RR Ranger is so hard. That would explain why the RvR zones are filled with Shar/Celt/Lurikeen Raven Ardents and Silver Hands and Thunderers.

(lol, stop talking all the time there are many rangers at amg. Some people cant actually distinguish between rangers and nightshades.)

I don't need to distinguish between the two classes when I can take one look at Rector's RvR graph and see how many active Rangers there are (hint: it's the most active class on Uthgard)

I am speaking about Emain AMG dude, because many people think that there are only rangers (those who cant distinguish between 2 classes). Most rangers are still playing in DF.

Yeah, Tzaaaa has played mostly in the era of new relics (which make quit a difference in bow damage; got shot for 574 crit yesterday on my ranger), he has mos5 and he knows how to play sniper. Actually, most of the strong assassins havent played much since OF was released (Runis, Hanma, Eshhee or Natan).

Ronian wrote:You probably havent played much in NF back in the day, when leg weapons were around. The majority has been infs and many SBs too. Ranger wasnt played that much like nowadays (thanks to the qq threads).

.........

i am not answering again on flames from ppl that don't know nothing about the game.
but want answer important things ... like this ...

dear Ronia,
go read some post ago what i wrote and why i think rangers are damn unbalanced ...
i am saying the exatly same thing as u said here:

when there was leg weapons and viper 3 (viper 3 still here) was NOT FUN play ranger ...

what i said before?

give me leg weapons, then i want cc debuff abs evade (1.80 if i remember bad, but i am not sure of this) and i am sure, that, if this toys will be done for assassins, rangers QQ threads will stop.

as said a lot of times:

rangers are playing with a new ra system that give they huge advantage, while others are still playing at 1.60.

again:
OLD ra's will help a lot!!!
no need viper3 when u will get hitted like intended after debuff str/con
no need viper3 if when i find u without camo (u can maybe kill 1 assassin with camo up and ip/purge, i am sure, but not like now that u can camp easly apk and farm all coming out with a passive mos and purge3 etc)
no need viper3 when i can see u from miles
no need viper3 when u are without active ra's and u CAN'T rr5, u will die to dot's (no speed shout) and gimp garrote snare. U will not esly escaped again ...
no need viper3 when i will can train evade ra ability boosting my damn broken evade skill on inf and maybe making this really effective, not like now when with evade7 i evade maybe 1 time on 5/6 swing (the time to die).

like, with NEW ra's system SHOULD BE:
no rangers train PD because useless against leg weapons
your studded armour will sux for debuff abs evade styles
etc
etc

assassins will always be better on melee, this is how the game was designed, on Uthgard is all broken on this system, with an incredible mix of new ra's, old styles, no leg weapons etc ... all things that make some classes (see rangers) totally OP compared to others (see assassins)

again:
old ra's will make u see what mean play an assassin compared to a ranger, like u was seeing when there was leg weapons.

IMPORTANT:
and be happy because something is for sure bugged on evade (said a lot of times, WS or something similar).
If evade rate was working, things was going to be a lot wrost for u and your op friends

but i 'am sure that when ppl will start to realize all this things, and rangers will start to be like they should (a good archer with decent melee ability), a lot of the "wanna be good player ranger and all other assassins just play like noobs ... that's why i rox" will stop to play ...

will see

Its everytime the same bullshit I read from you like: former fotm twinkers (hi, sbs and infs), which moved on to their ranger because they couldnt kill anything without using their strongest argument: the poison switch.

What exactly dont you understand with the patch limit 1.80? The abs debuff styles came with 1.82. On the other hand there were players like Natan etc. who showed how to play Inf here (viper3 and switch the poisons).

Most Infs do only spam the lvl50 DW style with the lvl50 piercing style (with 2.5 points you can afford taht rofl) as backup and dont even switch poisons while they do that. Baman shows at the moment how OP the poison line is while he camps the horse route, but he manages to switch poisons while he does spam his amnethyst slash. Infis cant do that or what?


So heat leg weapons wouldnt help me to kill you faster? I seriously doubt that, but hey I dont know anything about the game

Ronian wrote:Its everytime the same bullshit like fotm twinkers (hi, sbs and infs), which moved on to their ranger because they couldnt kill anything without poison switch.

What exactly dont you understand with the patch limit 1.80? The abs debuff styles came with 1.82. On the other hand there were players like Natan etc. who showed how to play Inf here (viper3 and switch the poisons).

Most Infs do only spam the lvl50 DW style with the lvl50 piercing style (with 2.5 points you can afford taht rofl) as backup and dont even switch poisons while they do that.

i am sure u are right about a lot of ppl switched from infs/sb's for win some fight (i personally know 2 of this) but what u don't understant, is that i am not interested on what u say (viper 3, switching poisons etc.).
this are things really normal for an assassin player.

what u must understand is that i have not to play a game that IS NOT DAOC for win (see Viper3, i totally agree on Noir for this stupid things, i am not using too ... lol even if i am only 4l8 ^_^ so have some problems on point ehehe).

U said before how should be DAOC
With legg weaepons at least , and, as u already write, just ONLY this was not fun for rangers.

then try to put the other toys i said (debuff abs for exemple) and u will have an idea of the FACT:

... atm, u are playing a class that is damn umbalanced AND NEVER EXISTED ON DAOC (new ra's system without leg weapons for exemple, but we can talk about other things too).

that's all

about the fact leg heat weapons will help u too against assassins:
yeah, is true for sure, but don't forget that loosing your PD we are fighting with same chance of be debuffed, and all 2 WITH THE SAME BONUS.
BUT, i have evade7, i can dot u with viper 3 (even if fixed), i debuff your WS/con making your damage going down a lot (repeat: WS/CON, not STR/CON) etcetc
u will have an advantage too, nothing to say, but try only think on my side, all things that, now, totally don't work/are impossible.

rangers can do well on melee (repeat, i played one post-toa), i am not saying rangers must sux, but, for sure, rangers are not the chars we see here on Uthgard, this is a totally custom Uthgard class.

and why is explained clear on other posts.

Did you play savage or zerk before nerf? I had a zerker and comparing them to ranger is a joke. Mercs can easily wipe out ranger in this setting. Thanks to charge, slam, dirty tricks and parry spec without defense penetration

So merc is op too?

The problem with leg weapons on uthgard was that they really were hard to get in a good quality and people paid high sums for it. On the other hand reavers and casters used staff charges to debuff their own damage which did hurt a lot when fighting them.

Actually the NF RA setting is balanced, especially when it comes to mos. I suppose Noir has high mos now, because when I faced him some weeks before I tried mos5 again and he saw me on the same range and yeah, seems pretty imbalance for me.

The problem is most assassins dont buy any mos, because they tend to buy purge3, viper3 and some vanish/mop instead. Assassin are strong at creation. Poisons are strong and the defense cant get better. Ranger needs some rr because people tend to say xyz makes ranger op. Actually mos4 pd4 ip2 purge2 = rr8 and wow, there is no mop, aug RAs or even lw in this RA setup.

Why dont assassins not evade vs rangers that often?

a) they face dual wield
b) additionally most of them use garotte or achilles heel (both with medium defense penalty)

I dont use taunt anymore and try to not use any def malus styles if possible. It works good because when spamming taunt I dont even evade vs 1hand users if I am unlucky.


PS: Now infs make more damage (with relics vs pd4) than me after debuff. So now where are all these alb players who cried so much these days.

Ya, many assasins like to assume in any setup , rangers should not win and if they do they are OP. Even though its not uncommon to see an assasin, PA, fallowup stun, one or two hits and there enemy is dead before stun is gone. And they dont consider that OP lol. But when they rvr revamp is implemented, it will go from OP rangers to OP NS and we will be off the spot light and maybe some archery bugs will get some attation then

Is this even about truesight any more?

Zarkor wrote:Is this even about truesight any more?

no, this has moved to a "QQ rangers are OP"

so.. closed

(did you read my mind btw, I was about to lock this 2 mins ago but got distracted xD)