Panchos wrote:I don't see why you would get 2 chanters rather than a mana eld instead. Anyways, pbae groups are going to be much nicer but imo 2 pbaes is fine and the best groups that unstick on inc will rape groups that rely too much on pbae. This isnt 2001. RVR in those days was: blanket mez a group, pbae, dead.

Pet, debuff+dd, baod?

And you dont rely on pbae, you just have it on top.
mezz-bomb will work again without DI and 5-min-purge. Jes you wont kill the whole fg because some destick. But its enough to kill 3-4 people if you inc them nice.

Tirax wrote:

Panchos wrote:I don't see why you would get 2 chanters rather than a mana eld instead. Anyways, pbae groups are going to be much nicer but imo 2 pbaes is fine and the best groups that unstick on inc will rape groups that rely too much on pbae. This isnt 2001. RVR in those days was: blanket mez a group, pbae, dead.

Pet, debuff+dd, baod?

And you dont rely on pbae, you just have it on top.
mezz-bomb will work again without DI and 5-min-purge. Jes you wont kill the whole fg because some destick. But its enough to kill 3-4 people if you inc them nice.

And if they are afk yes

Tirax wrote:

Panchos wrote:I don't see why you would get 2 chanters rather than a mana eld instead. Anyways, pbae groups are going to be much nicer but imo 2 pbaes is fine and the best groups that unstick on inc will rape groups that rely too much on pbae. This isnt 2001. RVR in those days was: blanket mez a group, pbae, dead.

Pet, debuff+dd, baod?

And you dont rely on pbae, you just have it on top.
mezz-bomb will work again without DI and 5-min-purge. Jes you wont kill the whole fg because some destick. But its enough to kill 3-4 people if you inc them nice.

one extra chanter pet in a KITE group is not all that great, putting a chanter pet on targets when you are kiting isn't as effective as when pushing. Also one chanter pet does not equal the utility or interuption ability of lets say another eld.

debuff + dd? debuff would just be overkill imo if you have one enchanter who knows how to play and kites + prekites. If you group another eld you have much much more utility or a ment which gives you more dmg per nuke and demezz. If you really miss that chanter pbae get a mana eld. But either way 2 chanters is just losing lots of utility. TBH they are ONLY in hib groups for their debuff, other than that they are a bad low utility class.

Panchos wrote:

Tirax wrote:

Panchos wrote:I don't see why you would get 2 chanters rather than a mana eld instead. Anyways, pbae groups are going to be much nicer but imo 2 pbaes is fine and the best groups that unstick on inc will rape groups that rely too much on pbae. This isnt 2001. RVR in those days was: blanket mez a group, pbae, dead.

Pet, debuff+dd, baod?

And you dont rely on pbae, you just have it on top.
mezz-bomb will work again without DI and 5-min-purge. Jes you wont kill the whole fg because some destick. But its enough to kill 3-4 people if you inc them nice.

one extra chanter pet in a KITE group is not all that great, putting a chanter pet on targets when you are kiting isn't as effective as when pushing. Also one chanter pet does not equal the utility or interuption ability of lets say another eld.

debuff + dd? debuff would just be overkill imo if you have one enchanter who knows how to play and kites + prekites. If you group another eld you have much much more utility or a ment which gives you more dmg per nuke and demezz. If you really miss that chanter pbae get a mana eld. But either way 2 chanters is just losing lots of utility. TBH they are ONLY in hib groups for their debuff, other than that they are a bad low utility class.

No. 2nd ench >>> 2nd eld

A single eld can debuff/ns/disease just fine. Another ench is better rupt (pet+insta dps debuff) and brings a second BAoD.

Jarysa wrote:

Panchos wrote:

Tirax wrote:

Panchos wrote:I don't see why you would get 2 chanters rather than a mana eld instead. Anyways, pbae groups are going to be much nicer but imo 2 pbaes is fine and the best groups that unstick on inc will rape groups that rely too much on pbae. This isnt 2001. RVR in those days was: blanket mez a group, pbae, dead.

Pet, debuff+dd, baod?

And you dont rely on pbae, you just have it on top.
mezz-bomb will work again without DI and 5-min-purge. Jes you wont kill the whole fg because some destick. But its enough to kill 3-4 people if you inc them nice.

one extra chanter pet in a KITE group is not all that great, putting a chanter pet on targets when you are kiting isn't as effective as when pushing. Also one chanter pet does not equal the utility or interuption ability of lets say another eld.

debuff + dd? debuff would just be overkill imo if you have one enchanter who knows how to play and kites + prekites. If you group another eld you have much much more utility or a ment which gives you more dmg per nuke and demezz. If you really miss that chanter pbae get a mana eld. But either way 2 chanters is just losing lots of utility. TBH they are ONLY in hib groups for their debuff, other than that they are a bad low utility class.

No. 2nd ench >>> 2nd eld

A single eld can debuff/ns/disease just fine. Another ench is better rupt (pet+insta dps debuff) and brings a second BAoD.

How can you say that? A pet just stands in CC an entire fight if it's not killed right away The dps debuff to rupt isn't really much if you see what an eld can put on the table when it comes to that. BAoD is nice but I wouldn't invite another super low util class just for one RA every 30mins.

Besides, staff said they won't be implementing obvious bugs. That insta-rupt from the chanter definately is such a bug imo...

Maidrion wrote:

Jarysa wrote:
No. 2nd ench >>> 2nd eld

A single eld can debuff/ns/disease just fine. Another ench is better rupt (pet+insta dps debuff) and brings a second BAoD.

How can you say that? A pet just stands in CC an entire fight if it's not killed right away The dps debuff to rupt isn't really much if you see what an eld can put on the table when it comes to that. BAoD is nice but I wouldn't invite another super low util class just for one RA every 30mins.

Not my fault if you don´t know how to control a pet and fail to completly shut down another supp with insta dps debuff.

I fail to see how something still working on live servers is an obvious bug.

Jarysa wrote:

Maidrion wrote:

Jarysa wrote:
No. 2nd ench >>> 2nd eld

A single eld can debuff/ns/disease just fine. Another ench is better rupt (pet+insta dps debuff) and brings a second BAoD.

How can you say that? A pet just stands in CC an entire fight if it's not killed right away The dps debuff to rupt isn't really much if you see what an eld can put on the table when it comes to that. BAoD is nice but I wouldn't invite another super low util class just for one RA every 30mins.

Not my fault if you don´t know how to control a pet and fail to completly shut down another supp with insta dps debuff.

I fail to see how something still working on live servers is an obvious bug.

Still working on live? That thing got fixed in patch 1.70.

Nah, still rupts when grouped, just like bd insta body debuff.

See any of the ench vids:

http://damaja.org/DAoC-Videos/GoA/%5BCSI-SetGroup%5D/

Jarysa wrote:

Maidrion wrote:

Jarysa wrote:
No. 2nd ench >>> 2nd eld

A single eld can debuff/ns/disease just fine. Another ench is better rupt (pet+insta dps debuff) and brings a second BAoD.

How can you say that? A pet just stands in CC an entire fight if it's not killed right away The dps debuff to rupt isn't really much if you see what an eld can put on the table when it comes to that. BAoD is nice but I wouldn't invite another super low util class just for one RA every 30mins.

Not my fault if you don´t know how to control a pet and fail to completly shut down another supp with insta dps debuff.

I fail to see how something still working on live servers is an obvious bug.

Yeah cause a pet that reaches maximum potential only in very circumstantial situations beats the big array of tools on an eld. Maybe you just group better elds instead of a 1-2-trick pony.

Jarysa wrote:

Panchos wrote:

Tirax wrote:

Panchos wrote:I don't see why you would get 2 chanters rather than a mana eld instead. Anyways, pbae groups are going to be much nicer but imo 2 pbaes is fine and the best groups that unstick on inc will rape groups that rely too much on pbae. This isnt 2001. RVR in those days was: blanket mez a group, pbae, dead.

Pet, debuff+dd, baod?

And you dont rely on pbae, you just have it on top.
mezz-bomb will work again without DI and 5-min-purge. Jes you wont kill the whole fg because some destick. But its enough to kill 3-4 people if you inc them nice.

one extra chanter pet in a KITE group is not all that great, putting a chanter pet on targets when you are kiting isn't as effective as when pushing. Also one chanter pet does not equal the utility or interuption ability of lets say another eld.

debuff + dd? debuff would just be overkill imo if you have one enchanter who knows how to play and kites + prekites. If you group another eld you have much much more utility or a ment which gives you more dmg per nuke and demezz. If you really miss that chanter pbae get a mana eld. But either way 2 chanters is just losing lots of utility. TBH they are ONLY in hib groups for their debuff, other than that they are a bad low utility class.

No. 2nd ench >>> 2nd eld

A single eld can debuff/ns/disease just fine. Another ench is better rupt (pet+insta dps debuff) and brings a second BAoD.

LOL. One pet sucks for rupting. ANY group with half a brain can drop it very quickly or just simply CC it. another debuffer/nser/snare nuker/diseaser would help more than one pet. BAOD is good but how many chanters here actually have it? Thats the only thing they have going for them. Other than that chanters are an extremely low utility class, just barely over wizards.

Why do you think absolutely no group runs 2 chanters now if by your argument chanter is better at interupting than another eld? I've seen plenty of caster groups run 2 elds but NEVER 2 chanters.

I have no idea how your thought process is working if you think a chanter can interupt better than another light eld or mana eld. This just baffles me but hey thats uthgard players I guess.

Jarysa wrote:Nah, still rupts when grouped, just like bd insta body debuff.

See any of the ench vids:

http://damaja.org/DAoC-Videos/GoA/%5BCSI-SetGroup%5D/

Oh, so Uthgard is actually not live-like then regarding that?

Panchos wrote:

Jarysa wrote:

Panchos wrote:

Tirax wrote:

Panchos wrote:I don't see why you would get 2 chanters rather than a mana eld instead. Anyways, pbae groups are going to be much nicer but imo 2 pbaes is fine and the best groups that unstick on inc will rape groups that rely too much on pbae. This isnt 2001. RVR in those days was: blanket mez a group, pbae, dead.

Pet, debuff+dd, baod?

And you dont rely on pbae, you just have it on top.
mezz-bomb will work again without DI and 5-min-purge. Jes you wont kill the whole fg because some destick. But its enough to kill 3-4 people if you inc them nice.

one extra chanter pet in a KITE group is not all that great, putting a chanter pet on targets when you are kiting isn't as effective as when pushing. Also one chanter pet does not equal the utility or interuption ability of lets say another eld.

debuff + dd? debuff would just be overkill imo if you have one enchanter who knows how to play and kites + prekites. If you group another eld you have much much more utility or a ment which gives you more dmg per nuke and demezz. If you really miss that chanter pbae get a mana eld. But either way 2 chanters is just losing lots of utility. TBH they are ONLY in hib groups for their debuff, other than that they are a bad low utility class.

No. 2nd ench >>> 2nd eld

A single eld can debuff/ns/disease just fine. Another ench is better rupt (pet+insta dps debuff) and brings a second BAoD.

LOL. One pet sucks for rupting. ANY group with half a brain can drop it very quickly or just simply CC it. another debuffer/nser/snare nuker/diseaser would help more than one pet. BAOD is good but how many chanters here actually have it? Thats the only thing they have going for them. Other than that chanters are an extremely low utility class, just barely over wizards.

Why do you think absolutely no group runs 2 chanters now if by your argument chanter is better at interupting than another eld? I've seen plenty of caster groups run 2 elds but NEVER 2 chanters.

I have no idea how your thought process is working if you think a chanter can interupt better than another light eld or mana eld. This just baffles me but hey thats uthgard players I guess.

You must be new to the game?

The most sucessful PBAE groups in OF times, ran with 2 enchanters.
OF Baod outwights a second eldritch by far. Espiaclly with a warden.
You can be imune to almost every magic for 1 minute.
Your groups has also a bard and a druid, that are free to interrupt. + 3 pets. Killing 3 pets will take a while too.

Dont forget your 1 enchanter might be interrupted, or killed. so You still would have a second one for debuff.

You can't take pbaoe grps in the old times as a reference. Farming groups that are either crap and untemplated or just crap doesn't count for much.

Zarkor wrote:

Jarysa wrote:Nah, still rupts when grouped, just like bd insta body debuff.

See any of the ench vids:

http://damaja.org/DAoC-Videos/GoA/%5BCSI-SetGroup%5D/

Oh, so Uthgard is actually not live-like then regarding that?

There were 20 videos in that link and most were a few hundred megs, which one and at what time has the chanter interupting with the haste debuff? I DLed the smallest video with ench in the name and in it there is an enchanter using the haste debuff on casters and it looks to me like it is in fact NOT interrupting them.