Ya most of the assasins ive face never reapply there poisons. And almost alwes just fight by ether walking backward or standing still. I can get a side stun on them about 75% of the time because of there lack of skill to counter it.

And yes rangers do get damage adds and a str buff, which they have to spec for, but if they are pierc that 50 or so str is only 25 damage stat, on a low damage table, which equals very little. Then add the 118 str/con debuff from the assaisn, if he keeps it applyed. Without viper an assasins lifebane hits for 59 dmg per tick vs 26% body resist and the assasin can still use a damage add charge, and the weapon dots do stack, while non assasins dont get stacking dots. But i only see a few take advantage of that.

Its funny it seems like us (rangers) have to teach the QQers how to play , so they can beat us, so they dont consider us OP. Well what i say to that is, I dont care what they think, as long as the staff doesnt take there unproven claims seriously. And i dont think they do.

Eclipsed wrote:Well lets break down, What makes the ranger OP ?

...

lol :lol

@Ronian:
pls answer my previous question:
Against the "fair" fight with Dragoon, u used IP/PURGE/RR5... something!!! or, just, u killed the slash mercinfi straight melee just spamming anytime (or some style off evade, side stun as usual?)

... ah ...

forgot ...

u are hybrid ... not pure melee ...

answer pls

eclipse you are really funny , we see you everyday on forum but never in game , theorical is good , gameplay is better , get your ass in emain and come learn us to play please...
you talk about things that you don't know because daoc is not only mathematic. if you were more playing and less speaking we could listen you , but personally i don't care about a bla bla bla guy.
now log in , play your noskilled ranger , open your eyes and say : Wooow , i don't know play and i win , my char rox

Noir wrote:eclipse you are really funny , we see you everyday on forum but never in game , theorical is good , gameplay is better , get your ass in emain and come learn us to play please...
you talk about things that you don't know because daoc is not only mathematic. if you were more playing and less speaking we could listen you , but personally i don't care about a bla bla bla guy.
now log in , play your noskilled ranger , open your eyes and say : Wooow , i don't know play and i win , my char rox

well, so true noir...

Here are the facts, Ranger is the only non assassin stealther who has 2 weapons in melee. Celtic Dual. This makes them superior to any other stealther who is not also dual wielding and furthermore benefits them also if they fight vs sword & board or someone brandishing a 2 hander. It just how it is get over it and shut your mouths about it or do like everyone else and make a ranger yourself.... Facts are facts and the fact is that it dont matter what class you play in this game - given the right circumstances ANY class can kill any other class.

I'll tell you right now the number one reason you would be assassins get wasted is because you either:
1. Get ambushed
or
2. Do not land a successful critical strike to your target

and very likely

3. Poor target selection


Thats what you all need to learn and learn it now - you assassins are not just supposed to jump someone in regular melee and have any chance to win unless it is a Mage or Healer. Many of you think you should have a good chance to win without landing a critical strike but you are wrong.Mythic has stated this before, assassins were meant to land that critical strike and then finish the victim off. That is your main skill and advantadge besides the obvious stealth and poison. If you get jumped and dont get the chance to land a crit then you better think of something quick cause you are about to die. You got ambushed. Stop complaining life is too tough when you do not even use your abilities proper.

Another point is target selection. You cant just jump anyone, anytime, and win every time. Some will be higher rank and some will be more skilled with thier gameplay or whatever the case may be. If i was playing as assassin my main targets are going to be Mages and Healer types... not an "archer" who is on the same damage table as me in melee, who has a nerfed bow damages so is very likely speced full melee, who definately has some if not max buffs from thier pathfinding which i dont get, who has access to ignore pain at higher levels as well as PD which i dont have, who also dual wields and i get no bonus to them when attacking... no, i am not going to go out of my way to engage this target at low to medium rank. That is suicide without landing a PA unless the target is low rank.Wise up and quit complaining Ranger is too strong.

Do you clowns even realize the Ranger is not even at his normal potential here? None of the Archers are. You realize Uthgard Ranger is a WEAK doppleganger of the Live Mythic ranger? You should count your blessings we are still being denied what we should have by default.

hahaha you are true silverleaf ; bowskill is so weak Tzaaa is full bow spec and 3 shot every sb that i seen , please up bow damage QQ
and i would love to attack mage & healer , but i VERY RARELY seen a solo mage or healer
and the fact : you can't attack anything else than ranger because there is 15 rangers everytime. and i'm sure you can guess yourself why there is everytime 3x more ranger than other class ?? because ranger is... is.... ???

[ Do you clowns even realize the Ranger is not even at his normal potential here? ] <== rofl i feel very sad for your poor weak ranger

it's amazing how rangers don't want to be nerf , you fear this much to be balanced with other class ?

We have to clarify here:

- bow damage is good in uthgard, i think it's balanced in the end;
- the problem with bows are the bugs that affects archery and not the damage: arrows in filght issues, critshot/rapidshot toggle, arrows weight, no proc, ecc...

However actually archery has nothing to do with rangers, 'cause the 99% of them are full melee. Probably this is one of the causes of rangers overperforming compared to other acrhers on uth: they don't have (except for Tzaaa the only one sniper ranger i see in RvR) to deal with archery problems.

ronia whit ONLY 35 in bow, hit me whit critical 718+ and normal shoot 360+, ok rr11 and maybe relics in this moment not sure, but ONLY 35 IN BOW.

Ragabbash wrote:ronia whit ONLY 35 in bow, hit me whit critical 718+ and normal shoot 360+, ok rr11 and maybe relics in this moment not sure, but ONLY 35 IN BOW.

It's normal dmg if you consider:

- extremely slow bow;
- 35+11+10 = 56;
- relics (<- not sure the relics affect bow dmg atm, i've seen no variances with or without relics);
- sure Ronia have d/q selfbuff, dex buff and augdex4, so dex 330/350 or plus.

Indeed on uthgard there's no need to spec more than 35 in bow atm except if you want to go sniper.

the very funny thing is that silverleaf and eclipsed are the same rangers qq'ing on Purga days of how was gimp ranger compared to live.
lol main problem is that on Purga melee system was working pretty well (u remember Tiv with armsman? u remember melee rangers against assassins, for exemple Morchant ... i remember well and was like live ... he was running always with enevenomed weapons from assassins and was going to win melee after using all his toys, with ip/purge up, if not up ... see below ...)
i will look if i find some posts very very cool from eclipsed/silverleaf from Purga broads

about all the rest, here rangers seem to forget always some basic thing, really, really basic:

1) ranger have EVADE 3, and can't debuff.
i already said this a lot of times, if melee system was working, a ranger is going to be evaded 50/60% times against an assassin after u got debuffed str/con, expecially against hybrid rangers (see Ronia ... later)

2) rangers have PD and MOS and rr5 here (IP nothing to say on this).
But rangers seem to forget assassins should have the correct changes on critcal styles. Never heard about debuffs on critical line off evade?
this is a pain, but, again and again, here not implemented

3) rangers have PD and MOS and rr5 h ere (IP nothing to say on this) but assassins can't access to leg weapons s

now try to only imagine what will happen if all this things (done by myt, as usual, for balance) should be implemented here:

1) your PD will be A LOT less effective thx to damn good debuffs abs from evade cc styles (and this, believe me, MEAN A LOT)
2) your gimp evade 3 skill will not save u against an evade 7 char that keep u debuffed and evade A LOT MORE THAN U (meaning that u'll land hits very few times, and get hit A LOT from evade debuffs cc styles ... believe me if u never faced a live assassin, evade abs debuff is going to be very very very very very not fun for u ^_^).
3) you will fight against chars that will use leg cold weapons with bonus on your armour (u can say is same thing for rangers too, and is right, but don't forget the fact that, after debuff, rangers should be with ridicolous ws compared to infs/sb's with evade 7 skill. Basically u will get evaded 50/60% of times taking back huge damage from cc styles)
4) here is working like old days with debuffs. so pierce rangers get a good bonus on debuffs. Point is: assassins can't debuff ws/con, but like old days, only str/con. This mean a lot too.

put all this things on the contest of Uthgard and all will become clear:

- rangers is a char that can take advantage from ALL THIS THINGS, expecially on melee system, while assassins must run with the stuffs of 1.60+ patch

stop talk s.h...it and be objective.
give my inf all this toys and i can demostrate u that at 5l i can kill a ranger on melee WITHOUT an opening with PA, even if he is higher rank.
I will lose if he use IP/PURGE/RR5 combo and finish me with bow, nothing to say on this, but here is a a ... BIT ... different ...

@Ronian:
u continue to not answer my previous question:
u killed Dragoon using IP/PURGE/RR5 stuffs or just straight melee and was a close fight?
if like i think,u haven't used nothing --> u think is correct an hybrid ranger (u hitted my inf more than 1 time with bow from far for 600/700dmg) after debuff can kill a slash inf melee? maybe mercinfi spec?
answer pls and be objective, rr + relics mean nothing, Noir lose against u even if high rr ... and have bonus on your armour too ...

I havent used any RAs vs Dragoonn but he was unlucky with his evaderate, sometimes Infs evade like hell and sometimes not even 1 time. But same goes for me vs 2hand users (and Infs should have the same rate like me vs dual hits).

Currently I am testing 50 CD and I havent used any anytimer vs Dragoonn.

Ronian wrote:I havent used any RAs vs Dragoonn but he was unlucky with his evaderate, sometimes Infs evade like hell and sometimes not even 1 time. But same goes for me vs 2hand users (and Infs should have the same rate like me vs dual hits).

Currently I am testing 50 CD and I havent used any anytimer vs Dragoonn.

this is enough (dunno if is correct, sorry for my english ^_^) for me.
and thx for your answer.

now be objective (dunno if this word is correct too on english ^_^ want to say be correct and see things from a fairly point of view ...)
forget to be a ranger
forget u fight a assassins

and answer:

u think is normal a hybrid ranger (with all things we said on a lot of posts here around) can kill 1on1 a slash inf (mercinfi if i remember well), full bufffed, straight melee WITHOUT USING ANY RA?

on my opinion, is just impossible, this mean something here is broken:

u have:
with lower ws (after debuffs)
lower evade rate
lower weapons specs (infs have more points/levels to use and usually go 50slash/thrust, without counting the +skill of rr's)
malus or neutral (don't remember, but for sure no bonus) on your armour damage type (dragoon is slash)
u get dot's poisons
etc etc

...

this is just impossible.

now look other side:

u can say: he was just unlucky.
even if i don't accept this, because, repeat, there is too mutch difference on chars if u don't use any type of active ra (ip/purge etc).

we have a rr11+ Sb (Noir) that is saying same thing:

he die against u , even if with all this toys.

if u was saying :

i have won using purge (for debuffs) and then IP, i wasn't write nothing, this CAN BE CORRECT, but, pls, an hybrid ranger, even if with high rr and some relics bonus, can't really kill a inf/sb slash/axe spec.

all the rest, is just flame or QQ from noobs

edited:
u say something like:
same thing for me (on evade rate talking) against 2h users ...

don't forget u are an evade 3 char, infs/sb's are evade 7 skill, there is a "LITTLE" difference ...

u don't agree?

sorry, this can't be explained only with "unlucky"

Noir is lying he killed me last time easily but I didnt have 50 cd last time. All his toys = purge3 or what do you mean? Many assassins have purge3 here.

Last time slash assassins and a slash minstrel did hit me. The slash minstrel did more damage so that was really confusing.

Ronian wrote:Noir is lying he killed me last time easily but I didnt have 50 cd last time. All his toys = purge3 or what do you mean? Many assassins have purge3 here.

Last time slash assassins and a slash minstrel did hit me. The slash minstrel did more damage so that was really confusing.

this is another point, i 've never talked about this, but i totally agree that infs seems the have something wrong on damage too (expecially compared to sb's damage). I have dueled some mincer too with pally, and i agree mincers seem to hit harder than infs ^_^

but this is another problem/bug.

anyway we was talking about an hybrid ranger that killed 1on1 straight melee a slash mercinfi without using any active ra's.

repeat the question:

u think u can compare your hybrid ranger to a slash mercinfi spec on melee performance? without ra's, without bow and with all the differences on fight toys?