It seems like people have lot of misconceptions about how stealth works even with our current system.

shade wrote:That would be in line with current MoS5 for archers implementation, so I guess no archer can call this out of balance. Especially since SH could be countered with Camo, which MoS5 can not.

First, MoS is completely countered with Camo.

Second, the bonus to detection from See Hidden seems to stack with the Assassin's other detection bonuses. Remember that all classes have a base detection range of 125 units. Assassins receive an additional detection bonus of 125 units from Detect Hidden.

If See Hidden has the same detection range as MoS 5, then the Assassin's total detection range will be 250 + 625 = 875

Which is huge.

shade wrote:And this is the reason why I'm looking forward to old RAs for stealthers. It encourages solo and/or roaming stealth RvR, and discourages camping on Hotspots. Camping and Zerging will be 'punished' with the next inc using TS at the very place.

I think you need to take off your rose colored glasses. An archer with MoS 5 and a FG can quickly clear a mile-gate, and they don't have to wait 30 minutes to do it, nor do they have a 60 second time limit. NF stealth RAs encourage roaming because you move faster in stealth with MoS and you can detect other stealthers more often.

If players want to RvR they MUST go where the inc is, otherwise there is no RvR. With OF stealth this means even more static camping of hotspots because there really is no other option.

NS doesn't get AP with old ras, i remember a time whe it has been possible but mythic has removed AP from assassins because they caould easy kill 3-4 players

Holavez

Cyan wrote:NS doesn't get AP with old ras, i remember a time whe it has been possible but mythic has removed AP from assassins because they caould easy kill 3-4 players

Holavez

Assasins had once IP , you could solo half grp with a infil and 9 sec dragonfang , oh good times ^^

Cyan wrote:NS doesn't get AP with old ras, i remember a time whe it has been possible but mythic has removed AP from assassins because they caould easy kill 3-4 players

Holavez

Can u pls show me source of this, in what patch notes?
All Old Ra´s calcs i seen has AP for NS and i never heard of the thing u say while i played live, IP gone for stealthers yes but not AP from NS.

Seyha wrote:

shade wrote:And this is the reason why I'm looking forward to old RAs for stealthers. It encourages solo and/or roaming stealth RvR, and discourages camping on Hotspots. Camping and Zerging will be 'punished' with the next inc using TS at the very place.

I think you need to take off your rose colored glasses. An archer with MoS 5 and a FG can quickly clear a mile-gate, and they don't have to wait 30 minutes to do it, nor do they have a 60 second time limit. NF stealth RAs encourage roaming because you move faster in stealth with MoS and you can detect other stealthers more often.

If players want to RvR they MUST go where the inc is, otherwise there is no RvR. With OF stealth this means even more static camping of hotspots because there really is no other option.

See hidden means : Kill just one or escape from 150 lurikens zerg at amg and not be ganked by running ugly valkyn with fg

EDIT : I confused AP with IP sorry, i meant IP.

Holavez

Jonah wrote:

nixian wrote:Personally I can not see any RAs that will make my NS uber, relying on a 30 minute reuse timer active RA is not something I would like to do.

and saying that someone is uber and going to be FOTM because of a 30 minute reuse timer RA, is to me a joke..

How about these?
WA3 or 4, its a passive ability btw
or
AP3 15minutes cooldown and making a NS into a pd5 ranger

Still dont think a NS will dominate stealth wars? U better think again

(2) Augmented Acuity +12 int
(5) Wild Arcana +25 % chance of duration spell critical

wow yeah thats uber +12 intelligence and 25% chance of a crit on my dot.. for how many points? hmm... 38? aka 4L8? yeah.. thats so uber..

AP3? 30% melee absorbtion for 1 minute every 15 minute? hmm what is the alternative?

thoughness 4 for 9 points less? hmm but hey.. whats that.. 12% extra HP (means extra survivabiltiy for ALL dmg's also dots, now THATS nice..)
(Yes I know aug con 3 but come on, 18 con is what? 72 hits max?)
and those 9 points? hmm what could those be invested in? see hiden + tireless 1.. say hello to a NS that goes for thoughness 4 instead of AP which is active AT ALL TIMES against ALL dmg types..

seriously I can't see why anyone would want active RAs as a NS .. maybe purge will be okay, but other than that.. useless imo

My guess is that RR7+ Nightshades will get both.

Toughness 3 + Aug Con 3 + AP 3...

Seyha wrote:My guess is that RR7+ Nightshades will get both.

tbh I would rather focus on my dmg , I hate active RAs, hence why I only had/have purge (and vanish due to laziness of spending an RA stone)

I seriously can't see why anyone would want active OF RAs at all.

Now it sounds better.

Braxis wrote:I seriously can't see why anyone would want active OF RAs at all.

Now it sounds better.

haha for me too xD

nixian wrote:

Jonah wrote:

nixian wrote:Personally I can not see any RAs that will make my NS uber, relying on a 30 minute reuse timer active RA is not something I would like to do.

and saying that someone is uber and going to be FOTM because of a 30 minute reuse timer RA, is to me a joke..

How about these?
WA3 or 4, its a passive ability btw
or
AP3 15minutes cooldown and making a NS into a pd5 ranger

Still dont think a NS will dominate stealth wars? U better think again

(2) Augmented Acuity +12 int
(5) Wild Arcana +25 % chance of duration spell critical

wow yeah thats uber +12 intelligence and 25% chance of a crit on my dot.. for how many points? hmm... 38? aka 4L8? yeah.. thats so uber..

AP3? 30% melee absorbtion for 1 minute every 15 minute? hmm what is the alternative?

thoughness 4 for 9 points less? hmm but hey.. whats that.. 12% extra HP (means extra survivabiltiy for ALL dmg's also dots, now THATS nice..)
(Yes I know aug con 3 but come on, 18 con is what? 72 hits max?)
and those 9 points? hmm what could those be invested in? see hiden + tireless 1.. say hello to a NS that goes for thoughness 4 instead of AP which is active AT ALL TIMES against ALL dmg types..

seriously I can't see why anyone would want active RAs as a NS .. maybe purge will be okay, but other than that.. useless imo

Clearly u never played with ols ra´s and watch a rr7+ Ns in action with AP and WA.

First of all i would go for AP2 for 19 points thats enough to win a fight every 15mins.

Toughness4 for is around 180 hits on a potion buffed Ns around 1500 hits. If u count aug con is 70 hits its 110 more hits for same points.
What would u choose 110 more hits all the time or a certain win every 15min?

WA is uber but u cant seem to get it, with 20% chanse u will toogle dot 3-4 times to get a crit and dont forget dots procs on weapons and armour. With WA4 u will have atlest 1-2 dots crit in every fight and if u lucky u get a crit on debuff to. THis will mean passive viper1-2 with crit chanse on procs and debuffs to. THis will be the first RA to buy for all NS´s imo.

If u are not convinced i will dig up some OF vid showing what i talk about. Trust me NS will be the new gods of stealth with OF RA´s.

Seyha wrote:

shade wrote:And this is the reason why I'm looking forward to old RAs for stealthers. It encourages solo and/or roaming stealth RvR, and discourages camping on Hotspots. Camping and Zerging will be 'punished' with the next inc using TS at the very place.

I think you need to take off your rose colored glasses. An archer with MoS 5 and a FG can quickly clear a mile-gate, and they don't have to wait 30 minutes to do it, nor do they have a 60 second time limit. NF stealth RAs encourage roaming because you move faster in stealth with MoS and you can detect other stealthers more often.

If players want to RvR they MUST go where the inc is, otherwise there is no RvR. With OF stealth this means even more static camping of hotspots because there really is no other option.

You might not know that I do play an assassin now, and did so back in the old days.
Well, I don't camp AMG anyways, so I admit it is of little concern for me wether or not situation will get better or worse with old RAs. But if I did, it would be another reason to stop it with old RAs.
Your statement sounds like you haven't any other chance to get fights off AMG. While this might be true for you (don't know), I have not had trouble getting plenty of RPs all the way from MTK to ATK, which is a large enough area to be save of either MoS5 or TS in many situations.

Anyways, I was just talking about my impressions of back then compare d to my impressions today.

shade wrote:Your statement sounds like you haven't any other chance to get fights off AMG. While this might be true for you (don't know), I have not had trouble getting plenty of RPs all the way from MTK to ATK, which is a large enough area to be save of either MoS5 or TS in many situations.

Anyways, I was just talking about my impressions of back then compare d to my impressions today.

I hate AMG and avoid it unless there are no other options. My favorite RvR is hunting other stealthers in DF. This will change and the fun stealth hunting in DF will be lost with OF RAs.

Seyha wrote:
I hate AMG and avoid it unless there are no other options. My favorite RvR is hunting other stealthers in DF. This will change and the fun stealth hunting in DF will be lost with OF RAs.

U couldnt said it better, totally agree with this.