the timer of camo never changed since implementation..it was alsway 10 minutes.

Edit: Ok I see ^^

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Because camo is not an RA?

Patch 1.52.

Camou was introduced as a counter for see hidden.

I doubt staff will make custom ra's for rangers just to make them happy, but ofc u can dream on.

1.52 add camo because of steath issues vs assasins.

1.62 nerf to see hidden and how stealth works because of archers

1.70 revamp of stealth system to solve issues.

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Myhic tryed solving the issue little by little, but the revamp was what did it, as there isnt much changed after 1.70 for stealth, in the name of balance. Uthgard shouldnt undo that as it will find out how big of an issue it will be come, then minor fix minor fix, revamp, back to what mythic did. Should just skip that and stick to a balanced stealth system.

And that item people are talking about, was a feature of an expansion, had nothing to do with balance, just rewards for those who get those expansions and spend the time to get those items.

Runis wrote:Camou was introduced as a counter for see hidden.

In the context of OF RAs Camo isn't really a 'counter' to See Hidden. Since Archers can't detect assassins without dumping a 30 minute RA Camo really only exists to allow archers to travel slowly in stealth without getting PA-farmed by every assassin in a kilometer radius. The archer can't use it to actively fight assassins.

Camo does not become an offensive tool for archers until NF MoS.

Seyha wrote:

Runis wrote:Camou was introduced as a counter for see hidden.

In the context of OF RAs Camo isn't really a 'counter' to See Hidden. Since Archers can't detect assassins without dumping a 30 minute RA Camo really only exists to allow archers to travel slowly in stealth without getting PA-farmed by every assassin in a kilometer radius. The archer can't use it to actively fight assassins.

Camo does not become an offensive tool for archers until NF MoS.

As a bow archer with mos5 u dont really need camo to be offensive, u will get ur shoot in before the assasin see u, u just need it to pass mg´s safely.

Its more importent for a melee archer to use it to land sidestun/backstun.

Camo without mos will be useless, u wont get PA´d for sure but u wont find anything to kill either, i know its even hard detecting ppl with mos2 on a none detect hidden class. Will be useless with no mos at all, slow spd and see nothing.
So the only options u have is
1. TS every 30 mins
2. Group a NS/infil/SB
3. Camp chockepoints like mg´s but u wont see how many inc so u prolly get zerged there anyway.

So soloing on an archer will be plain boring and useless. I think this is the final step for GM´s evil plan about making all stealthers rolling/playing group chars.

Stealth wars with Old Ra´s was and will always be inbalanced and boring. I play/played both archers and assasins with both systems so im not biased. NF RA`s are as balanced i think u can make it but unfortenly there are some RA´s beeing inbalanced for a classic setting with low hps and dmg (viper/pd ).

But GM´s care little about stealthers so they wont care. We will have to adjust but i can just image the QQ on these boards after it gets implemented.
"OHHHH NOOOEs i move so slow"
"QQ omg nerf nightshades"
"killed by TS for the 5th time today"
etc etc.

But GM´s care little about stealthers so they wont care.

Enough lies (look above) and whines.. come up with a discussion that actually makes a difference and I will let it live, but this one have lived its time..

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