that link is abit strange.. i wouldn't take it as gospel.

just look at all the alb pet classes, they have different title than mid pet classes. or hunters/scouts/ranger - all have different titles..

it's more a fluff page

Of course, but those classes that are clearly labeled aren't labeled wrong.

Nymeros wrote:No, you didn't explain anything, at least not in a way that makes any sense. Berserkers aren't "labeled" as damage machines, that is a fluff description, The definition of a hybrid class is clearly presented in the link I quoted.

Please inform us then what are savages (according to you), I'm dying to find out.

That page has no description for light tank on it. Maybe mythic doesn't even consider that a group anymore with all the crap theyve added I have no idea.


But when savages came out, they were accepted as light tanks. Unique light tanks, but none the less. The hybrid vs light tank argument was put to rest when mythic removed their instant taunt as well as adjusting a few other things.

If the savage is a hybrid first and foremost, why did mythic always give them det and later stoicism?

Light tanks are only a subdivision of Tanks.

But I find this funny: So first you try to convince us Mythic was right to give them Det, and now you switch the whole argument around.

Why did Mythic give all hybrids Det later? Why did Mythic make hundreds of mistakes? Because they were the game developer and they could afford to get caught in their own illogical statements and lies. Why would anyone who isn't getting a paycheck from them approve of this behavior is beyond me.

A Necromancer is pretty damn unique, but I don't see it getting it's own special category in anything, and no one in their right mind would ever call a Necro anything but a caster.

So why does the necro get a quick cast that allows for more than 1 spell to fire?


Because its a unique caster, so it has some unique mechanics, just like the savage does.


Likewise, even when the hybrids were given det, they didn't get stoicism, but the savage did.


Its why the reaver got;

"Unquenchable Thirst of Souls Active 30 min.

Point-blank area of effect lifedrain. "



and the savage got;

"Ravager Style 10 min.

Combat Style: Opening: None Weapon type: Any Fatigue cost: None Damage: Very high Attack bonus: Very high Defense bonus: Medium"


EDIT: I am 100% onboard with hybrids keeping an NF equivalent DET

Ah, so now we're getting somewhere.

So a Necro is a unique ----> CASTER <-----. But wait! Doesn't that make a Savage a unique ----> HYBRID <----?


Edit: I'm glad you are, because that is the only sensible thing. However the staff will probably try to use the same arguments you are using here if they decide not to implement it, so I think this point is pretty important.

no, I told you why the savage is a unique light tank. Your only counter point has been a fluffl page without light tank as an option.


How could that page possibly label savage as light tank when its not an option?

That page is not worth citing. Use actual facts regarding the implementation of the classes on live. Ive given you almost 10 examples. Explain them.

The savage has self buffs and the Taunt spell.

No light tanks have them. It's that simple.

And I see the number of examples has now risen to 10, when it was 6-7 in the other topic. Very productive. Let's put it this way: You have given absolutely NO examples except reffering to Mythics design decisions as proof, which I've countered by Mythics own designation of the savages as Hybrids.

You have presented absolutely no other proof except your subjective opinion that the 2s cast difference in the Taunt spell is enough for them not to be hybrids, while disregarding the fact that only Hybrids have Taunt in the firstplace.

the way mythic treats a class is how we know what category that class fits into.

If a class is placed on a higher HP table, higher WS table, given DET, cheap purge, no offensive spells, no heal spells, its probably not a caster.


the savage self buffs require health, not power, and their taunt isnt instant, and takes no power. They are unique abilities for a light tank.

Sigh.

No they are not, because no light tank has those abilities or even anything similar, not to mention a separate specline.

Please try to use logic, I've even enlarged the important bit for you. Those are HYBRID abilities with unique twists, just like Necro abilities are unique CASTER abilities.

Nymeros wrote:
Please try to use logic, I've even enlarged the important bit for you. Those are HYBRID abilities with unique twists, just like Necro abilities are unique CASTER abilities.

name a hybrid who can't use their abilities to help their group mates, or damage an enemy.

Savages reavers and champs are melee hybrids because their main source of dmg is their melee and they all have a buff line which they can spec in, which gives them some advantages.

Thanes and vw however are caster hybrids because they owe their combat effectiveness to both castable spells and melee abilities.

Paladins wardens and skalds are somewhere in between (support hybrids?).

This is the simple and undeniable truth.

If savages, the melee hybrids that they are, have been given det acess on live, there is no reason (except selfisness or pure stupidity) not to give reaver and champ acess to that same det here!

Force wrote:name a hybrid who can't use their abilities to help their group mates, or damage an enemy.

Savage.

Unless of course you count Taunt.

Nymeros wrote:

Force wrote:name a hybrid who can't use their abilities to help their group mates, or damage an enemy.

Savage.

Unless of course you count Taunt.

the savage has hybrid like abilities because they share those same qualities with...savages who are hybrids because they share those same qualities with...savages who are....


oh wait...

It seems that they are a somewhat unique hybrid, doesn't it?

Unlike all the other tanks and light tanks with selfbuffs.