Right, 3 things why ranger suck as a maintank

-High missrate vs bossmobs
-No protect (thanks add for adding this one)
-No Engage (goog example is the ancient gatekeeper)

And yes, I was maintank for darkness falls prince's and megalodon. Megalodon is a slash damage type mob like some others.

realac0 wrote:If WS mean something, with my evade 7 inf and 50main weapon (what is supposed to raise WS on dual wielder alb/hibs) and my 2.8pt's for lvl (or 2,5? don't remember i just remember infs have more pts to train lol) i should evade A LOT your swings, expecially against blade's ranger because, i remember u, that str/con poisons cut down more your gimp WS.
So, at the end of all, without counting your PD passive ra, fight should be against a char with evade 7 (repeat SEVEN) with higher WS (50main hand) against a char with evade 3 (repeat THREE) with lower WS (not 50 main hand but, more imporant, HARDLY DEBUFFED).
Explain me WHY i never evade, and sometimes rangers evade more than me ^_^.

so you got ~45more WS than your opponent
but you ignore the fact that rangers make up this lacking 45WS due to having better buffs which they have to spend points for...
i agree that str/con debuff cuts down a rangers WS
i totally disagree that a rangers WS is gimp/worse than yours,..

afaik you dont evade that much because: (all suggestions!!!!)
i think on live,...at first the dex values were compared
and the class with higher or lower dex gained bonus or penality on evade
or was it just with WS? or both?
i really dont know ,. can just suggest ,..but i read/heard ppl saying something like: "this isnt livelike on uthgard"

realac0 wrote:Or explain me WHY a 315 dex friar with 13xx ws (self buffed) against a sb/ns (str/con debuff make nothing against full dex based damage) evade really like a chick.

mhh evade 5 vs evade 7 ? maybe just 1 run /QTD never tried again?
****** happens
maybe friar using taunt all time? (most possible)
"mimimi i use taunt with medium defense penality all time and i dont evade"
maybe because the sbs/ns' had even more dex (and quick) ?
maybe the sb/ns was on a evading spree and used styles that had medium or high to hit bonus (not sure if its affecting the enemies defens or just the miss rate) (but well would be nonsense if its just the missrate)

realac0 wrote:why, on live, NO RANGERS can only think to fight melee a Merc/zerk? or an inf can't think to fight melee a warrior/zerk/bm?

when i'm blade ranger i dont even think about fighting a merc/warrior/(and even friar , depends on the RR xD )
well i did ,.. 1-3times ,.. then i learned
i lost vs orihiime RR5 warri everytime (back then) when i was 6l9,...
did i start a topic that warriors are OP?

realac0 wrote:is really easy:
without, for exemple, PA/CD, tanks (see A LOT MORE WS, DIFFERENT DAMAGE TABLE) will be going to totally destroy your defence (i will never evade) and will be going to hit A LOT HARDER than me.

yep thats the thing i was trying to point at, ,.. which eventually works different on uthgard

realac0 wrote:Here, on Uthgard, u know better than me that rangers can kill all chars, ihave see a lot of rangers kill Mercs, Warriors for exemple.

either the ranger was pierce spec or the warriors/mercs were not played well (maybe not all buffs up) (maybe grp spec)

but in example bevi... he was crush (dunno if he still is) ,.. solo spec afaik,...
and me as blade ranger ,.. lol ,.. i could use purge2 ip2 have a good start and still lost while he had still 50-80% hp left

realac0 wrote:And this, sorry, is impossible (i am talking about straight melee, is clear if u play a ranger like what should be played, bow, kite, speed for take range again, bow etc is different).
Here on this server rangers just go melee and spam anytime.

yeah because when they use bow-kite tactic a decent warrior/merc will just engage the ranger or stops chasing like stupid , or just use the terrain,...

realac0 wrote:EDITED (if i remember well ^_^)
i remember WS have nothing to do with DAMAGE (that is weapon damage). WS is the ability of a char to hit/open defence of enemies, more WS u have more swing u'll land, less u'll be evaded/parried/blocked etc etc

agree ,.. afaik this is not livelike on uthgard ,.. but thats not a argument for rangers to be OP ,.. thats a need for you to get data and do a *good* bugreport /to tests screens/videos/chatlogs if you want some change
if you want something changed/done: Do it yourself !

realac0 wrote:your damage will be calculated from another formula that is a standard for all class (yeah, rangers should have same damage table as infs ... lol, like bm/zerk/merc on another etc.).

but once you claim : rangers are on fulltank dmg table
then you claim: weaponskill doesnt affect dmg
but rangers DO LESS dmg than BMs!
how it comes?
maybe WS affects dmg on uthgard? maybe thats not livelike aswell?
i dont know,.. do you?

realac0 wrote:So, if u are on a different damage table, u will not see nothing on WS (that, is clear, on light tanks like for exemple BM's will be higher, because BM's are supposed to be main dps, while, for esemple, wardens, with low weapon spec, but same dmg table as skald, should be supposed to be support ... this introduce the fact that i think chars like skald hit really too hard, but this is another story).

sry i have really problems to understand you sometimes,..
maybe thats the answer on what i asked just above ,..
but really couldnt understand

would be interessting to know some of holzmichels highest dmg hits on ,.. infis maybe ....
once i made 400dmg on an infi with my 4l skald (fullbuffed with red buffs)
it really made me ponder that it was 2 hit +shouts

realac0 wrote:anyway, have fun, i am not posting/playing anymore since new patch will be up with my inf. so is pointless continue to write.
expecially when ppl don't want see the evidence.

well bring some real evidences ,.. think now you know in which *direction* you gotta search/test

i really dont care about a ranger nerf ,.. didnt play it for 3 month till yesterday (wanted to test it again because of all this QQ)
and actually i dont wanna play it again cause its too boring running around that long to get zerged, or to be killed cause i was a bit semi afk at the wrong time xD
but till now this topic brought up many comments of ppl claiming Rangers are OP argumenting with : rangers are OP ,.. while also showing that they dont really know how to play their toons
or even dont know about the rock/scissor/paper thing (which is a common knowledge of every *just a bit* experienced daoc player...

realac0 wrote:c u and, really, i hope u have fun, this is anyway, a game
and if u have fun killing ppl just because your char is bugged, is a your choice

well,...if its affecting your gameplay and you know there is something bugged,.. imo ... DO SOMETHING !!! ,...in order that it can be fixed,...
its not affecting my way of gameplay atm so .. i dont care

im *defending* rangers ,.. because it was NO *easymode* killing.
especially before i hit RR5 it was NOT easy

and all arguments i read are just worth nothing
BUT the argument in your last post about the WS got value imo ,..

Musikus wrote:well, ranger is a quite good maintank...and dont start laughting befor finish reading..

i didnt start laughing cause i agree
and you would know if you read
but still dont know how this affects RvR

Feelit wrote:AND again, THERE are no hibs looking for Rangers for any high level mob raids ,... earlier when shield spec wasnt worth training it , besides for slam , rangers, indeed , where a nice tanks WITH PD4+

AS RONIA SAID BEFORE!!! maybe read

yeah ,.. can just repeat: maybe read (all)

Musikus wrote:give the ranger a nice guardtank on his side and you have to heal lesser than a common tank from hibernia.

i did NOT claim that rangers are bad tanks
totally agree,.. as long as it got PD4 or 5

Musikus wrote:and since most ranger are melee specced they have a nice weaponskill and do NOT miss all the time as you claim..

well ,... i've done around 200+ beli/prince raids,...
and i really disliked inviting vales/champs because they miss a lot
rangers should have same or even less weaponskill
rangers dont got "nice weaponskill" sry thats just not true,...
same as pallys ,.. if they wouldnt have the healchant+protect they were not able to keep agro on princes/beli

Musikus wrote:pala 34% absorb armour + AF + selfAF + AF chant gets more damage than scout 19% armour absorb + 28% second trier mele absorb (no AF)

afaik pallys got 2 stacking AFs,... self AF + spec AF of clerics
or self AF + AF chant,.. the AF charge should not stack with spec AF (clerics or chant)
or are you talking about the base AF which you dont need when using a not broken SC amor?

Musikus wrote:that are facts..dont ignore them.

Musikus wrote:and ronia...you where often enough maintank in the irish sea for megalodon..i was in some groups there with you (with different chars).

sry but ,.. how much did you read? ,.. or no read and just write mode on?

Paladin (highlander) 19% effective crush resistance and a Scout (highlander) 59% effective crush resistance.

realac0 wrote:why, on live, NO RANGERS can only think to fight melee a Merc/zerk? or an inf can't think to fight melee a warrior/zerk/bm?

this question shows me that u have never played live classik ^^

i have seen (i know) a ranger which killed everything on live, there he was oped, really oped, not like here, with blade evadestun and evade(parry) chain ... there u skilled 44blades 42 path (or 46) and the gimped rest of skillpoints u could let open + a bit stealth and u have rocked with weapon pd, instant pd of cl lines, parrybuff, cl buffs, omni and lifedrain proccs, chargable shaman rr5(30%) 26er overcaps and buffbonus...

really all who wanna tell me that ranger is oped here should search for the video zeak vs. zerg /wave zeak

no u all dont know WHAT a oped ranger is , i do because i faced zeak more than 100 times on live... and he was really unbeatable for the most players. also me, but i never cried that he is oped. i also never had beaten him as hunter got the oped debuff desease garotte spam 300dmg pet, because he had a good playstyle and tactic, but he showed me how to play a ranger, and i do it like he does on live, i am not perfect in my skill/tactic but i try to get better. maybe some sbs should try this too, noir had a very good and tactical figth vs me last time, but he gave up after he lost ;( next time i would wish me that u come back and kill me noir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucn6mnefnqg

Ya rangers where not strong on live NOOO.

I like how strong his bow is and melee, sometimes with PF buffs, sometimes with more. There is many ranger videos out there and many of them show how strong they can be. Im not sure where they get that rangers should be weak. Or maybe that is because on other shards they are weaker, espicaly for bow and most have gotten use to weak shard rangers

maybe all think the dw malus for block/evade was a early patch.. no it was the patch before archery made scout totally oped

so uth wants older paches , and ranger (dw/cd/la) keeps the malus for block/evade of enemys
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the combination of hib rf armor the offhand(with malus) and the dmg add buff make ranger so hard, and nothing more, all who say it otherwise are lieing or have no sense of daoc
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and this is also the reason why ranger wont be weaker with old ra´s

Feelit and Joint... You don't recognize irony when you see it, uh?

don't want answer again all things Feelit said, is pointless
i think my opinion is clear, i am not interested on a "whine war forum".

@Eclipsed
i know well Quivna, and i have see this video tons of times (is very old , and maybe one of the best daoc movie i have ever seen, of this type, of course).

but:

99% of players he fight are totally unbeffed (tanks, shamans, casters etc).
There is only 1 fight when he killed a buffed inf (all other inf/sb's was without any buff)

i can post u billions of video of this times (2002/2003) where u see any type of inf/sb's going solo and kill every type of chars (yeah, rangers too ^_^). The point is that, on this days, 90% of ppls NO STEALTHED was going around without buffs.

@Join-Operation:
the video u are talking about was posted some pages ago on this thread.
just a question:
"u see i never played the classic old style?" (your proof)
good, maybe u lost to see that this video is from a CLASSIC 1.85/90+patch, with CL's, Leggendary weapons, Vampiirs, new ra's system, change on a lot of spell line for every char etc etc
the OLD CLASSIS i'am talking about is pre 1.69 patch (what this server want to be), so, again, i am sorry for u, but the one that never played the Classic DAoC (2002/2003) maybe is u, not me

enjoy

Give it up realac0, rangers are ok and we are all noob that have to learn to play.

Celad wrote:Feelit and Joint... You don't recognize irony when you see it, uh?

soo this was irony too?

Celad wrote:400+ dmg in 3 swing is a dream for an hunter.

Feelit wrote:

Celad wrote:Feelit and Joint... You don't recognize irony when you see it, uh?

soo this was irony too?

Celad wrote:400+ dmg in 3 swing is a dream for an hunter.

No, this was the truth. Even with a slash spear on an infi. You can do 150 for ONE hit sometimes, but normally dmg is 120-140, like an umbuffed ranger mainhand.

Feelit i'm mad when i see you say everyone is noob.. who is your ranger seriously ? when i see fights vs ranger , the ranger won 90% of the time..
but 90% of the ranger are noobs taunt spammer; don't even know how powerfull they are & how patheticfull they would be with any other class.

NOW : the fact for know is you are a good ranger , if you win 1v1 , that's dont mean anything , if you win 2v1 : you start to be good , 3v1 : you are good ranger . if you loose a 1v1 : you are just a NOOB . ( there is 4 or maybe 5 good ranger on uthgard, and i bet you're not one of them )

thanks and dont forget to tell me who is your ranger please

again nothing new was brought up, just the endless flames, QQs etc..

locked

please don't open a new ranger topic.. they are getting on my nerves (and my ranger is even stuck at 41)