So I will post my op BM table damage (I think after debuff 66 cd and 51 piercing with str/con buff; keep in mind my enemy had slash vs pd4):

Ronian wrote:So I will post my op BM table damage (I think after debuff 66 cd and 51 piercing with str/con buff; keep in mind my enemy had slash vs pd4):

This pic show only that you can do double damage (without counting add dmg) of an infi. 400+ dmg in 3 swing is a dream for an hunter.

Celad wrote:

Ronian wrote:So I will post my op BM table damage (I think after debuff 66 cd and 51 piercing with str/con buff; keep in mind my enemy had slash vs pd4):

This pic show only that you can do double damage (without counting add dmg) of an infi. 400+ dmg in 3 swing is a dream for an hunter.

Read again I have PD4 that means he hits vs 50% resistance and me vs 36% and debuff (plus 10% relic bonus). And yeah he is viper3 inf.

Be serious dude this is normal damage, no way op!

I want a "no way op" damage like rangers have on my hunter.
Uh and i don't want to be evaded too like the "no way op" class here.

Celad wrote:I want a "no way op" damage like rangers have on my hunter.

Seriously I think Madinaa makes more dps on them with slash spear Maybe she can post some screens debuffed.

Feelit wrote:

Noir wrote:ronia you hit bad than all other rangers , every blades ranger hit me for 130 minimum mainhand with taunt style , i dont count add dmg in ofc .. and some ranger with the good trick can hit 200 + mainhand ( grz Add , Gonna , Syuveil etc )

Btw all blade spec ranger dont crit shot me for 650... so yes , rangers are on wrong table

/blush ,..
i ve never seen my ranger did a 200mainhand hit but okay ..
highest ever seen was like 180 with tempest think 0,98 regrowth
and this happened soo rarly ,.. .. well...

http://www.bilder-hochladen.tv/pic/trVRl40q/

a old agra pic, but one of my favorite hits

Ronian wrote:

Celad wrote:I want a "no way op" damage like rangers have on my hunter.

Seriously I think Madinaa makes more dps on them with slash spear Maybe she can post some screens debuffed.

Madinaa is full melee.
I do the same dmg as you on infi only if i am full bufffed, and i use a thrust spear.

Celad wrote:

Ronian wrote:

Celad wrote:I want a "no way op" damage like rangers have on my hunter.

Seriously I think Madinaa makes more dps on them with slash spear Maybe she can post some screens debuffed.

Madinaa is full melee.
I do the same dmg as you on infi only if i am full bufffed, and i use a thrust spear.

Yeah thats the problem you hit on 36% resistance instead of 26% while using a slash spear (you should use the advantage of hunter spears).

I am almost full meele spec (but the best cd style is missing = supernova) on the other hand I dont want to miss rapidfire

Ronian wrote:(you should use the advantage of hunter spears)

Hey, good idea.

Zongo wrote:Yeah, you have to decide what you wanna do with your toon... this goes for pretty much all classes.

DAoC is a rock-paper-scissors-game. There will always be a class/spec that has good chance of killing you. there will always be a class/specc that you have good chance of killing.

exactly!
and a class that does NOT fit into the rock-paper-scissors sheme is OPed !
thats imo the definition of OPness
and its not the case on rangers ,..

Ragabbash wrote:atm i think 1 good ranger can kill all clases here.

nice that you think this ,...
wow rangers are OP ,.. this agrument just convinced me

realac0 wrote:@Feelit

WS on this server mean NOTHING, so what u checked mean NOTHING.

if WS mean something, this post was going to not exist, so, i am sure ranger have less WS than your BM, but the damage is by far highest that what it should be.

prooof plz

BTW: is it more likely you just say WS doesnt mean anything on uthgard,...
or is there any chance that the 25% more dmg on bm got any relation to the 25% more weaponskill a bm got ;P?

Celad wrote:

Ronian wrote:(you should use the advantage of hunter spears)

Hey, good idea.

LOL


the one ADVATAGE hunters got, you re not using but claiming rangers to be OP ,.. great
(but i agree hunters are a bit pooor here, but im sure melee hunters can deal 400dmg with 2 hits ! well at least my kobi hunter could and it was hybrid spec lol)

sry but ,.. this is another proof how wrong this lazy RangerQQ topic posters are (ooops this thread was started by a ranger trying to show QQers "how to discuss")

why do ppl call something OP before they get information about their own class or how to play it ?

when i started playin a minstrel ,.. i read 3 minstrel guides ,.. and hell it helped sooo much...

Feelit wrote:well ,.. i was playing in hib almost every day for about 3 month now,...
I ve never ever seen some bullshit like:
- /lfg need ranger for taj2/df raid/evern/Green knight/
NEVER!!!

last week i've built a taj2 grp ,... i was seriously shocked how many level 45ish + (partially or non SCed) ranger thought they would get a "DD's" slot in the grp ,... lol
i seriously got 3 sends from rangers of level 44 45 and 47
imo they read to much on forum ,..
i always hated being ranger on a PvE raid BECAUSE:

THEY ARE NOT ON THE SAME DMG TABLE AS BMS!!!
and then without a proper weapon skill you go like:
Miss Miss Hit Miss Miss Miss Hit Miss Miss Miss Miss

well, ranger is a quite good maintank...and dont start laughting befor finish reading..

ranger wears studded (as scout does).
ranger can get PD5 (as scout can)
i (scout) got LESSER damage from a raid boss than a paladin with all his AF-buffs and his plate armour. to be exact...he took 790 damage in average..i took only 450 from the same mob. it will be the same for a ranger
give the ranger a nice guardtank on his side and you have to heal lesser than a common tank from hibernia. and since most ranger are melee specced they have a nice weaponskill and do NOT miss all the time as you claim..
pala 34% absorb armour + AF + selfAF + AF chant gets more damage than scout 19% armour absorb + 28% second trier mele absorb (no AF)
compared to:
hero/champ 27% armour absorb + spec AF <-> ranger 19% armour absorb + 28% second trier melee absorb + self (spec) AF

that are facts..dont ignore them.

and ronia...you where often enough maintank in the irish sea for megalodon..i was in some groups there with you (with different chars).

Musikus wrote:
well, ranger is a quite good maintank...and dont start laughting befor finish reading..

ranger wears studded (as scout does).
ranger can get PD5 (as scout can)
i (scout) got LESSER damage from a raid boss than a paladin with all his AF-buffs and his plate armour. to be exact...he took 790 damage in average..i took only 450 from the same mob. it will be the same for a ranger
give the ranger a nice guardtank on his side and you have to heal lesser than a common tank from hibernia. and since most ranger are melee specced they have a nice weaponskill and do NOT miss all the time as you claim..
pala 34% absorb armour + AF + selfAF + AF chant gets more damage than scout 19% armour absorb + 28% second trier mele absorb (no AF)
compared to:
hero/champ 27% armour absorb + spec AF <-> ranger 19% armour absorb + 28% second trier melee absorb + self (spec) AF

that are facts..dont ignore them.

and ronia...you where often enough maintank in the irish sea for megalodon..i was in some groups there with you (with different chars).

maybe the mob does crush damage? maybe the paladin is vulnerable against crush? maybe scout is resistant against crush? pls think about...

also the arguments are good BUT u forget something... ranger/scout/hunter have no protect, which makes it nearby impossible for them to hold aggro

god if vw would have prot, it would be a perfect tank!


@ celad:
infi = thrust resistant, use slash!
ranger = slash resistant, use thrust!

i gonna use 4 spears on my hunter a slow slash and a fast slash and same on thrust.
ok many want to cry now about because ranger havent to switch weapons, but thats bullshit, if i could switch diffrent dmg types on my weapons i would do it with add, but i cant . a ranger have to decide :

blades for stealthhunt or pierce for tanks

now the question ... how many solotanks u know? how many solostealther u know?

now u know why all rangers spec blade, but ok be happy with old ra´s is blade nearby unplayable, so all rangers skill pierce and hit on resistant armor at sbs infis and hunters, but dont think that ranger will be easier to kill then

btw the sbs here should realize that:
1. they make only 65% mainhand and 65% offhand dmg !
2. their offhand dmg grows with every RR (dw/cd dmg cant growth, only hitchance grows while LA hitchance is on maximum because both weapons swing all time together)


greets Add/Edgtho