Best hit with debuff vs noir 102 mainhand (tempest), he did 92 with his best hit so ranger is obviously on the wrong table

ronia you hit bad than all other rangers , every blades ranger hit me for 130 minimum mainhand with taunt style , i dont count add dmg in ofc .. and some ranger with the good trick can hit 200 + mainhand ( grz Add , Gonna , Syuveil etc )

Btw all blade spec ranger dont crit shot me for 650... so yes , rangers are on wrong table

Yeah Noir the difference is 4,2 weapon and bonus on your armor vs 3,9 weapon and malus on your armor but I have 66 celtic dual so no way that Ranger is on the wrong table.

When purge3 is gone blade ranger will suck.

double post

Methusalem wrote:yes, in first fight u was unbuffed, in second i was fullbuffed and u had to use ur ip, in 3th i was able to kill u after i was death with a dot on ur ass cause ur ip was down, in 4th fight all was up for u and i loosed disastrous.

so overall, 4 fights- i won 1 after i died cause ur ip was down.

sooo if Rangers are soooo OP ,.. how could you win that fight vs a ranger thats more than 2 whole RRs higher than you?

if 1 ranger dont have ip up, most of they or use rr5 and run or die

Noir wrote:ronia you hit bad than all other rangers , every blades ranger hit me for 130 minimum mainhand with taunt style , i dont count add dmg in ofc .. and some ranger with the good trick can hit 200 + mainhand ( grz Add , Gonna , Syuveil etc )

Btw all blade spec ranger dont crit shot me for 650... so yes , rangers are on wrong table

btw ... i dont understand at all what you are talking about...
650dmg bladespec ranger ?! wrong table? hu?

/blush ,..
i ve never seen my ranger did a 200mainhand hit but okay ..
highest ever seen was like 180 with tempest think 0,98 regrowth
and this happened soo rarly ,.. still when you got s/c debuff on you lose 30-50% of the dmg ,.. and who isnt able to reapply them upon their targets .. well...

Syuveil and Gonna hit me more than 1 time 200+... ye 4.2 weapon, the max waht i can remember was 228 syuveil i think

Sincerely i dont remember this damage on my sb. But if other players say this, this happened.

Methusalem wrote:not enough that he can use : strong selfbuffs, charges, rangeattack, speed, meleedmg on a BM-table ,
he can spec pd , ip, and can use the debuff and poision from a NS on the actually patch from uth wich makes him OPed atm.

You are right:
Rangers got:
- strong selfbuffs (they gotta spend points for them)
- charges (as every other class too)
- speed (they gotta spend points for it)
- rangeattack (NS got range attacks too , even 1 instant)
if you go hybrid spec you either suck in melee, ranged or both, imo , as shar
- IP (well,.... if ppl claim charge to be OP ,... okay ,.. but IP)
remember: 1 viper3 dot = 50% of a rangers HP ,..

and btw: go for Viper1 or Viper3 ,.. Viper2 sucks imo,...

but nice ,.. finally the first real statement about the topic: "why do you think rangers are OPed?" after 15 pages =)

Methusalem wrote:AND i ask again, WHY does hibs search for Ranger in broad if they want do a raid, if this class isnt broken or oped ?

why they didnt want Bm, Champ or Hero as maintank for raids ?

CAUSE RANGERS ARE BETTER OVERALL

AND again, THERE are no hibs looking for Rangers for any high level mob raids ,... earlier when shield spec wasnt worth training it , besides for slam , rangers, indeed , where a nice tanks WITH PD4+

AS RONIA SAID BEFORE!!! maybe read

well ,.. i was playing in hib almost every day for about 3 month now,...
I ve never ever seen some bullshit like:
- /lfg need ranger for taj2/df raid/evern/Green knight/
NEVER!!!

last week i've built a taj2 grp ,... i was seriously shocked how many level 45ish + (partially or non SCed) ranger thought they would get a "DD's" slot in the grp ,... lol
i seriously got 3 sends from rangers of level 44 45 and 47
imo they read to much on forum ,..
i always hated being ranger on a PvE raid BECAUSE:

THEY ARE NOT ON THE SAME DMG TABLE AS BMS!!!
and then without a proper weapon skill you go like:
Miss Miss Hit Miss Miss Miss Hit Miss Miss Miss Miss

realac0 wrote:

Ronian wrote:Better try Hib or Mid and get farmed by FG Black Adders. And what exactly is the difference in Inf, Ns and Ranger "blademaster" dw or cd?

Ah, bm is fulltank and makes actually more damage. I did test it..BM makes 25% more damage.

lol

i every time say don't post again but i really can't ||| |;)

u understand dear noob (sayed friendly) that 25% IS DAMN LOW MORE DAMAGE compared to str of BM against RANGERS?

u RANGERS shoudl be on a total different table, A LOT LESS DAMAGE.

this make nothing than confirm that rangers are bm hidded with lowerst str

lol 25% more, this is ridicolous ...

p.s.
will try again to don't post more

dear noob !
since all this ranger "mimimi" is so active again ,... i tested it today
i had like :
315str
337dex
13XX weaponskill
with red buffs (fullbuffed with red buffs)
pierce spec

since i know that my gimpy shar bm had like 16XX weaponskill with just yellow d/q and s/c ,... and did NOT have aug str2

do you want me to post screenshots?
for example ,.. screenshots could be a possible VALID evidence for any argument that states rangers are OP,..

SO THATS MY PROOF THAT RANGERS ARE ON A TOTAL DIFFERENT DMG TABLE!!!!^

and btw ,.. BMs do alot more dmg than rangers do
i bet a bolg BM with 50/50 spec with all red buffs (blade spec) can 3 hit SBs ...

if you use 1300/100*28 and compare it to the 16xx bm WS this all seems plausible to me

tell me:
why should a Ranger not outdmg/win vs. an SB with: (without PA/CD)
- less str
- less dex
- less quick
- less amor factor
- less amor absorbation
- no amor resist dmg bonus vs rangers
- 10% amor resist dmg penality vs rangers

there are classes that are easy kills for other classes ,...

when playing ranger i am easy target for: warriors(hammer/solos/ like divinarchangel/orihiime) friars, aug healers (higher RR solo spec maybe)

celican once killed me ,.. i did 50% dmg ,.. never did more than 100dmg (blade on chain mid xD) he hit me for around 150-220dmg ^^
he didnt has to use any instant , he didnt even has to kite /mezz/stun/recast celerity,...

as some others said before ,.. dont complain about not having a chance vs a specific class that specced a specific way in order to kill your class easily
rangers actually gotta decide ,.. : do i wanna kill assasings? or do i want to have chances vs Mercs,warrior, ....
blade or pierce?

Yeah, you have to decide what you wanna do with your toon... this goes for pretty much all classes.

DAoC is a rock-paper-scissors-game. There will always be a class/spec that has good chance of killing you. there will always be a class/specc that you have good chance of killing.

atm i think 1 good ranger can kill all clases here.

Ragabbash wrote:atm i think 1 good ranger can kill all clases here.

A good skald/sb/sorc cant kill all classes?

Ronian wrote:

Ragabbash wrote:atm i think 1 good ranger can kill all clases here.

A good skald/sb/sorc cant kill all classes?

Not at just 6L

@Feelit

WS on this server mean NOTHING, so what u checked mean NOTHING.

if WS mean something, this post was going to not exist, so, i am sure ranger have less WS than your BM, but the damage is by far highest that what it should be.

If WS mean something, with my evade 7 inf and 50main weapon (what is supposed to raise WS on dual wielder alb/hibs) and my 2.8pt's for lvl (or 2,5? don't remember i just remember infs have more pts to train lol) i should evade A LOT your swings, expecially against blade's ranger because, i remember u, that str/con poisons cut down more your gimp WS.
So, at the end of all, without counting your PD passive ra, fight should be against a char with evade 7 (repeat SEVEN) with higher WS (50main hand) against a char with evade 3 (repeat THREE) with lower WS (not 50 main hand but, more imporant, HARDLY DEBUFFED).
Explain me WHY i never evade, and sometimes rangers evade more than me ^_^.
Or explain me WHY a 315 dex friar with 13xx ws (self buffed) against a sb/ns (str/con debuff make nothing against full dex based damage) evade really like a chick.

why, on live, NO RANGERS can only think to fight melee a Merc/zerk? or an inf can't think to fight melee a warrior/zerk/bm?
is really easy:
without, for exemple, PA/CD, tanks (see A LOT MORE WS, DIFFERENT DAMAGE TABLE) will be going to totally destroy your defence (i will never evade) and will be going to hit A LOT HARDER than me.

Here, on Uthgard, u know better than me that rangers can kill all chars, ihave see a lot of rangers kill Mercs, Warriors for exemple.
And this, sorry, is impossible (i am talking about straight melee, is clear if u play a ranger like what should be played, bow, kite, speed for take range again, bow etc is different).
Here on this server rangers just go melee and spam anytime.

sorry, this is not daoc.

this are just exemple: see below:


EDITED (if i remember well ^_^)
i remember WS have nothing to do with DAMAGE (that is weapon damage). WS is the ability of a char to hit/open defence of enemies, more WS u have more swing u'll land, less u'll be evaded/parried/blocked etc etc

your damage will be calculated from another formula that is a standard for all class (yeah, rangers should have same damage table as infs ... lol, like bm/zerk/merc on another etc.).
So, if u are on a different damage table, u will not see nothing on WS (that, is clear, on light tanks like for exemple BM's will be higher, because BM's are supposed to be main dps, while, for esemple, wardens, with low weapon spec, but same dmg table as skald, should be supposed to be support ... this introduce the fact that i think chars like skald hit really too hard, but this is another story).

anyway, have fun, i am not posting/playing anymore since new patch will be up with my inf. so is pointless continue to write.
expecially when ppl don't want see the evidence.

c u and, really, i hope u have fun, this is anyway, a game
and if u have fun killing ppl just because your char is bugged, is a your choice