Toblerone wrote:Vw, reaver and paladin who will lose their place in a group becasue they'll stand in cc forever, like it wasn't bad enough already to play a melee class and stand rooted for 20 seconds now it has to be tripled ? Oh yeah, the improvements are vast

Well i dont much vw and reavers in fgs. Will albs remove their endu bot from groups?

But im agree with you. Most of hibrids will go out fgs.

Most of the time I was in a group on alb we had one reaver.

Hey pala had grp instant !!

zaszeadora wrote:Hey pala had grp instant !!

Has one with NF too ... 3 times as often.

I love how many think that rangers will be totaly diffrent and think they will be easy targets. When in reality, yes they will be a little weaker, but all the old ra's will do is encourage more melee spec rangers as the old stealth system sucks and bow spec vs assasins isnt really do able. This will really thin out all 3 archers, because of how the stealth system works vs assasins. But there is still AP RA, there is still IP and now many more tools like True sight, which im sure can be used at the gates to destealth every assasins as its 60 seconds.

When i played my ranger, i could kill assasins, with my RA setup and hybrid spec. I did not have IP, i did not have PD5 only 4 and I only had purge 1. I actualy use to run with PD 3 max sometimes, and the hardest part was viper, but with old ra's there is no viper when your a ranger. Avoid the PA and your good to go, but that will be the issue when camo is down. All the old ra's will do, is there will still be complaints about the melee rangers, but now complains about balance with the Nightshade being the top assasin , luckly i play 1 realm

most annoying will be the snail speed in stealth with no mos, just that will be a resson to /q /del

Kill with ranger will be easy thou, first fight u have camo up so thats free rps, 2nd one u use ap or ip and next whats over, if u get PA´d just dump. When all RA´s down, just camp 10 min for camo again. I say rangers will be even more op with viper gone and as all will ditch the bow and go 44 or 50 cd. And with dodger u will have a boost to defence.

No im more worried about the snail speed and the increase to camping/zerging it will led to.

Ya i will hate the lack of MoS for the movement speed, which means if non stealthers run over you, youl be found easy. As the only use of mos in old ra's is for 5% speed each level (15% total). But then again i can drop my stealth to like 30 and get away with that vs non stealthers and with camo up i could have some issues, but even with the current stealth system i pulled off 29+14 stealth and did well, even vs assasins when camo was up. No need to cap stealth on old ra system as an archer.

http://www.bilder-hochladen.tv/pic/o9Z3jd6n/

big gz maturius, u get what some rr8-10 sb cant get... u killed a ranger!^^

i also had a very nice, and tactical figth today with noir, nearby he killed me , but he made 1 big fail, he kited me a 3rd time as i didnt had endu anymore (both 20%) so i used bow to shoot him into his back, if he would have hitted me 1 time more he had won, but he lost of this failure.

but noir if u do this more and more with rangers u will beat them all believe me, and btw dam haves to kite much enemys too (as u asked me if some other class needs to do it^^) its a possibility of your class so use it, i kite most enemys too for recharge myself a ablative and use first aid (to dont need ip so much) and on old ra´s i will do it more like now, because then i have fa2 and ip2 prepare for a hard oped ranger time , because old ra´s are meleerangers love

greets Add.

What's going to happen is that groups of archers will be formed and run Truesight every 5-10 minutes, and mow down every stealther in the area.

So, any assasin with grandios theories that now they will have it easier are thinking that the archers wont form groups and run solo like they do now. If you have 3 archers running true-sight every 10 minutes, all enemy stealthers are going to be hating life.

When the old RAs go live, archers will be grouping much more often rather than running solo.

Adapt or die.

Moondragon1 wrote:
When the old RAs go live, archers will be grouping much more often rather than running solo.

Just as it is today
Btw. nice fights in thidra moon.

Grretings, Nylea

I lost vs one ranger today 2 times cause ip2 only. Pd was not a big problem really. And 1 hour before i killed pd ranger without problems, but he dont used ip.

Add when you lost vs Maturius, you was without Dam no?

If you're talking about our fights, PD wasn't a problem...because I don't run any PD. I used IP twice and heal pot once. I'm not a melee spec'd ranger as I'm sure you can tell.

Yes i talk about our combats. And the problem was ip only. Before you used ip, i have all chancer for win. After ip all chances gone XD.

Well you are very skilled too

vangonaj wrote:I lost vs one ranger today 2 times cause ip2 only. Pd was not a big problem really. And 1 hour before i killed pd ranger without problems, but he dont used ip.

Add when you lost vs Maturius, you was without Dam no?

yes u´re rigth i was without dam^^

but i didnt used ip, because i hate it (played to rr7 without!) but the of rvr situation of adds and being added lead me down to get ip, and now i play much with ip and fa (what gives really nice figths vs higher rr classes )

but old ra´s are no solution , u lose poison i lose my stealth range to see something, nothing more

In my conclusion, tougness+ip is much stronger than pd+ip. As i said i killed some pd rangers without problems, and was hard vs ranger with ip2.

About damage table. I never saw one ranger do 220 damage or more with main hand.

In my opinion ranger isn´t really op, is only hard enemie. I lose vs rangers, and i won vs them too. Ranger is only lucky cause dualwield spec.