realac0 wrote:pls Ronian, really, pls, don't talk about 9 secs stun on Infs here is OP, when we all know how u and all rangers are going around ...
here, atm, even with 9 secs stun, infs is going to die anyway , so , pls, have a minimum of respec and not say nothing about OP for other classes ...

Evade 7, combined with dodger, 9 sec stun and 30 min purge timer was OP.
With new ras we have purge 3.

Best patch 1.60 to 1.65? What class did you play? Shadowzerk, Zerker or Inf?

I had a Zerker to test how op this class was back in the day and honestly df weapons were enought with lvl49 to force champ and bard (lvl50 sced) to run. Take zerker here and add insane more damage and you get and non nerfed doublefrost spamming zerker.

Actually ranger has pd and assassins have passive viper. So where is the deal with these "new things". I really think you are only a nerd that got wiped to often by rangers and now say there must be something wrong. Back in the day on these days when Infs had 9 sec stun there were no archers around at all. Most of the stealtheres were infs and that was because of the possibility to make to PAs (old vanish anyone) and 9 sec stun on a stealther.

Yeah weaponskill is useless at the moment and it wont help you breaking the enemies defense. So what chars profit from it? So its bad for chars with really high weaponskill like fulltanks or snipers, but not for assassins. On the other hand chars with a high defense are in advantage like friar or other tanks with high evade/block/parry. Sometimes I cant hit warriors at all without strafe.

And now the insane damage of rangers (yesterday vs a weird inf oo; high cd spec, wyrds spec piercing skill and of course str/con charge):


Dont forget hib has str relics. With str relics SBs easily made 90 with anytimers and 100+ with back or evadestyles on pd4 and slash resistant armor.

Ronian wrote:Best patch 1.60 to 1.65? What class did you play? Shadowzerk, Zerker or Inf?

I had a Zerker to test how op this class was back in the day and honestly df weapons were enought with lvl49 to force champ and bard (lvl50 sced) to run. Take zerker here and add insane more damage and you get and non nerfed doublefrost spamming zerker.

Actually ranger has pd and assassins have passive viper. So where is the deal with these "new things". I really think you are only a nerd that got wiped to often by rangers and now say there must be something wrong. Back in the day on these days when Infs had 9 sec stun there were no archers around at all. Most of the stealtheres were infs and that was because of the possibility to make to PAs (old vanish anyone) and 9 sec stun on a stealther.

Yeah weaponskill is useless at the moment and it wont help you breaking the enemies defense. So what chars profit from it? So its bad for chars with really high weaponskill like fulltanks or snipers, but not for assassins. On the other hand chars with a high defense are in advantage like friar or other tanks with high evade/block/parry. Sometimes I cant hit warriors at all without strafe.

And now the insane damage of rangers (yesterday vs a weird inf oo; high cd spec, wyrds spec piercing skill and of course str/con charge):


Dont forget hib has str relics. With str relics SBs easily made 90 with anytimers and 100+ with back or evadestyles on pd4 and slash resistant armor.

Ronian is pointless continue to argue, i am bored.
u are right, and rangers are fixed, u are right and is correct infs/sb's die melee against a bow ranger (like u).
u are right on all.

gg and have fun.

p.p.s
yeah, me (and a lot of other experienced old days daoc player) think best patches was before 1.70 (just after laxe ).
(i don't want a server where laxe is op or where savages was going to make quad's every swing, but i don't like a server where rangers kill melee assassins too without using any ra's)

cya and have fun, i hope to duel u soon with my new shar ranger powa!!!!
so i will be fun too and this server can change his name on something like:

Dark Age of Assassins
(where pure assassins get hardly owned from archers ^_^)

Ronian wrote:Actually ranger has pd and assassins have passive viper. So where is the deal with these "new things".

Exactly, this server is only about rangers and assassins. Everything is perfectly balanced, close thread!

realac0 wrote:

Ronian wrote:Best patch 1.60 to 1.65? What class did you play? Shadowzerk, Zerker or Inf?

I had a Zerker to test how op this class was back in the day and honestly df weapons were enought with lvl49 to force champ and bard (lvl50 sced) to run. Take zerker here and add insane more damage and you get and non nerfed doublefrost spamming zerker.

Actually ranger has pd and assassins have passive viper. So where is the deal with these "new things". I really think you are only a nerd that got wiped to often by rangers and now say there must be something wrong. Back in the day on these days when Infs had 9 sec stun there were no archers around at all. Most of the stealtheres were infs and that was because of the possibility to make to PAs (old vanish anyone) and 9 sec stun on a stealther.

Yeah weaponskill is useless at the moment and it wont help you breaking the enemies defense. So what chars profit from it? So its bad for chars with really high weaponskill like fulltanks or snipers, but not for assassins. On the other hand chars with a high defense are in advantage like friar or other tanks with high evade/block/parry. Sometimes I cant hit warriors at all without strafe.

And now the insane damage of rangers (yesterday vs a weird inf oo; high cd spec, wyrds spec piercing skill and of course str/con charge):


Dont forget hib has str relics. With str relics SBs easily made 90 with anytimers and 100+ with back or evadestyles on pd4 and slash resistant armor.

Ronian is pointless continue to argue, i am bored.
u are right, and rangers are fixed, u are right and is correct infs/sb's die melee against a bow ranger (like u).
u are right on all.

gg and have fun.

p.p.s
yeah, me (and a lot of other experienced old days daoc player) think best patches was before 1.70 (just after laxe ).
(i don't want a server where laxe is op or where savages was going to make quad's every swing, but i don't like a server where rangers kill melee assassins too without using any ra's)

cya and have fun, i hope to duel u soon with my new shar ranger powa!!!!
so i will be fun too and this server can change his name on something like:

Dark Age of Assassins
(where pure assassins get hardly owned from archers ^_^)

u spect ronia no defend rangers? rolf, ranger isnt op! rest all noobs, and rangers pros like ronia! learn ur clas!! JA JA!

I dont speak spanish

I agree above with Thalien.


Rangers are OPed and i am pretty sure everyone knows it.
Apart from the people who play them who will defend them to the end.







in an aside, do they always come as duos/trios.... when i was playin a few weeks ago i was getting 2/3 rangers jumping me at a time (DF,AMG,Odins). Dam invisible blademasters.

Better try Hib or Mid and get farmed by FG Black Adders. And what exactly is the difference in Inf, Ns and Ranger "blademaster" dw or cd?

Ah, bm is fulltank and makes actually more damage. I did test it..BM makes 25% more damage.

Ronian wrote:Better try Hib or Mid and get farmed by FG Black Adders. And what exactly is the difference in Inf, Ns and Ranger "blademaster" dw or cd?

Ah, bm is fulltank and makes actually more damage. I did test it..BM makes 25% more damage.

lol

i every time say don't post again but i really can't ||| |;)

u understand dear noob (sayed friendly) that 25% IS DAMN LOW MORE DAMAGE compared to str of BM against RANGERS?

u RANGERS shoudl be on a total different table, A LOT LESS DAMAGE.

this make nothing than confirm that rangers are bm hidded with lowerst str

lol 25% more, this is ridicolous ...

p.s.
will try again to don't post more

This!

another vote for close

realac0 wrote:

Ronian wrote:Better try Hib or Mid and get farmed by FG Black Adders. And what exactly is the difference in Inf, Ns and Ranger "blademaster" dw or cd?

Ah, bm is fulltank and makes actually more damage. I did test it..BM makes 25% more damage.

lol

i every time say don't post again but i really can't ||| |;)

u understand dear noob (sayed friendly) that 25% IS DAMN LOW MORE DAMAGE compared to str of BM against RANGERS?

u RANGERS shoudl be on a total different table, A LOT LESS DAMAGE.

this make nothing than confirm that rangers are bm hidded with lowerst str

lol 25% more, this is ridicolous ...

p.s.
will try again to don't post more

Actually it was some inaccurate test and both were piercing users (I havemore quick) and it was 28% more damage that the bm did (mainhand only)

Considering the first 10 LWRPS of melee rangers, sbs and infis (only level50 toons):

--> 812.514 for the rangers

--> 786.019 for the sbs

--> 698.214 for the infis


So please, close this madness and the QQers just STFU imo

Ronian wrote:

realac0 wrote:

Ronian wrote:Better try Hib or Mid and get farmed by FG Black Adders. And what exactly is the difference in Inf, Ns and Ranger "blademaster" dw or cd?

Ah, bm is fulltank and makes actually more damage. I did test it..BM makes 25% more damage.

lol

i every time say don't post again but i really can't ||| |;)

u understand dear noob (sayed friendly) that 25% IS DAMN LOW MORE DAMAGE compared to str of BM against RANGERS?

u RANGERS shoudl be on a total different table, A LOT LESS DAMAGE.

this make nothing than confirm that rangers are bm hidded with lowerst str

lol 25% more, this is ridicolous ...

p.s.
will try again to don't post more

Actually it was some inaccurate test and both were piercing users (I havemore quick) and it was 28% more damage that the bm did (mainhand only)

not flaming now ronian, really.
i appreciate u are making some tests (i can,t don t have the chars to do ^_^)

u must consider 1 thing:

your low str compared to a BM
best test should be same weapons, same skill (pierce bm/ranger pierce, slash ranger/slash bm/crush bm i think against dolls no difference on damage type).

u will for sure see a big difference for ranger lower strenght (no use your buffs) but 25% is really poor difference.

BM's are on the same table as zerks and mercs and are considered light tanks (arms/wars/hero = heavy tanks). Usually, light tanks are the best dmg dealer of the realm on dps.

the difference, with lower str and lower dmg table, should be around 50% (or really close/similar).

i will try to ask for some tests to guildies with a full melee infi compared to a merc.

Bm had 1 cd skill less than me but as I said only a fast test to show that rangers arent on the BM table

BM 115 str 93 dex
Ranger 85 str 115 dex

So these 8 dam stats make a big difference?

how to kill a ranger:

dont /stick him
carry extra weapons with dots. switch them often
hope he dont have ip3 ^^