Blitze wrote:Friars are very uncommon... but i will play mine again after the world cup! they are ungroupable so must solo with no speed/stealth and hence die alot 2v1 and more, some days i would die many times to groups/smallgroups/stealthgroups before i found a 1v1 fight. (i would like to thank any group that has left me alive! though)

i do agree that WS issues seem a bit weird but thats based on my memory of 5+years ago, but back then before buffbots, LA nerf. The difference could be that any skald/ns/ranger/sb you fight in frontiers will have better +skills/SCed/maxed weapon stat or even that they have buffcharges on!

So they wouldnt have like 950 WS vs 1400+(my friar) they would have more. i have been evaded by an SB 5 times in a row once, which is very unlucky even if they have 50% evade. but my WS should be superior so that it lowers their evade if i am right.

950 is my guess for a norse skald?? that about right?
what is typical ranger or SB WS?

i think u was refeering to my post.
i have rr4lx friar, 39 staff
my stats are 13xx ws (don't remember exaclty) and 315 dex 1550 hp's around
well, WS/CON debuff will never get my ws down (like was on old daoc days)
this is the key for friars for be very good against stealthers (on old days, now, with toa, friars have a lot of other things, that, is clear, now are not implemented, even if i continue to not understand why viper is avaible for exemple ... is this balance? lol)

well, on live old daoc days FULL BUFFED sb's/ns (i don t talk about rangers, because they was free rp's) was going to have a chance only if FULL BUFFED WITH RED BUFFS. If not full buffed, was nearly a perfect.
When full buffed, they was capping evade too, had very high dex, and increase as hell evade/ws rate.
so the fight was fairly but was going to end anyway with friar alive thx to other things (ip for exemple). I can't count the times i killed sb's/ns's even after the PA'ed and basically 90% if was evading/parry creeping death.
At this point, if creeping death got evaded, they was going to die on 3 or maybe 4 swings at capped speed with 5.x staff ...

good old days ...

Friars was usually going to hit on leather for very huge damage, and get evaded very low times (thx to high ws and the fact that poisons was not kutting down NOTHING THAN HP's, damage was the same ... staff is 100% dex based, WS not change etc etc)

so all friars was going around with 5.x staffs (the slowest possible) and was hitting very very very hard, damage, when high rank, was similar to polearms (not the same, but similar, armsmans with pole was a totally pain, always be the best dd of the game... is clear, not here on Utghard, here armsmans seem skalds at 1.60 ...).

About other chars like skalds, they was just escaping when they see a solo friar because they was going to get evaded 99% of swings so the only damage they was going was with dd's.

Friars was going to have bad fight only against full buffed Sb's (red buffs, if not was unfairly) BEFORE THE FIX OF LAXE (after the fix, all changed), ns's was free rp's, rangers was free rp's,skald was free rp's etc. and all ONLY IF FULL BUFFED with red buffs.

was hard against:
Champions (for debuffs dex/qui haste)
wardens (after they got the shield ability to train, before was easy)
high rr warriors with the toy of had high shield spec and can switch 2h with only main hand trained ... i always thinked this is OP, but, anyway, this is the game (about rangers, sorry for all rangers here, i can't say "this is the game" .. i can say only "this is uthgard" ...)

here, i am sorry, is a "bit" different

Ws seem to count nothing, some class i am close to be sure is on the bad damage table (we already talked about rangers, but i can talk about skalds too for exemple).
Staff damage is a joke
the toys that make friars good:
very high dex + evade 5 and high staff damages based on 100% dex here mean nothing (the anytime base of friars is, with lvl 29 alb slash style, the best anytime style of the game, always be ... )

here work better a jimp studded armour weared, with evade 3 (lol), without poisons, with a gimp ws, without parry ...

but i continue to think is all a problem about WS hardly bugged

friars here, sux very very bad, maybe can win some 1vs1, but, compared to live performance on classics days, they are really ridicolous ...

I dont think Rangers are OP. If they manage to play out their strenghts, they win. If I play out mine, I win.
Thx
Bugsy

Ranger is OP. I saw Ronia kill dragon solo, and chain with some black adders.

Ranger is lucky only because he has dualwield skill. Give him spear or scout´s weapon damage, and he will sux too.

Pls close this topic. There are only flames here.

It's true that they're overall stronger when you look at their toolset, but definitely not unbeatable. The biggest problem with rangers is that there's so many of them and fact is they all add, you'll very rarely have a decent fight with just one. I've seen two running together holding hands so often it made the game look like gay pride.

Tobletwo wrote:It's true that they're overall stronger when you look at their toolset, but definitely not unbeatable. The biggest problem with rangers is that there's so many of them and fact is they all add, you'll very rarely have a decent fight with just one. I've seen two running together holding hands so often it made the game look like gay pride.

Nah they are unbeatable - roll a sb, spend 4 months getting all the imba gear, get all buffs, get vip3, get owned by rangers every fight, quit

I have not viper, and i can kill rangers. They are hard, but is posible. And if you cant kill ranger with viper3, you sux.

vangonaj wrote:I have not viper, and i can kill rangers.

Quote of the year.

Sherazad wrote:

vangonaj wrote:I have not viper, and i can kill rangers.

Quote of the year.

Just woaw, you must be a pro :')

Sherazad wrote:Just woaw, you must be a pro :')

Im not. Just use damage add charge in combat, don´t give him chance for strafe, and and use evade stun. Need some luck too If ranger has ip2, purge2 and rr5 up you have 99% chances to die.

I cant understand why Noir has this problems with rangers now. He is skiled sb, and i saw him kill rangers. Runis kicked them all.

Damn you really don't know what is sarcasm do you?

Stressed wrote:Nah they are unbeatable - roll a sb, spend 4 months getting all the imba gear, get all buffs, get vip3, get owned by rangers every fight, quit

I've one, barely play it because 90% of the time I end up fighting more than 1 person though, but in the week or so that I've played it I have killed a few rangers, without viper 3 and without any alchemy stuff. Yeah, sure, high rr ones with every active RA up would kill me and I wouldn't expect anything else.

Tobletwo wrote:

Stressed wrote:Nah they are unbeatable - roll a sb, spend 4 months getting all the imba gear, get all buffs, get vip3, get owned by rangers every fight, quit

I've one, barely play it because 90% of the time I end up fighting more than 1 person though, but in the week or so that I've played it I have killed a few rangers, without viper 3 and without any alchemy stuff. Yeah, sure, high rr ones with every active RA up would kill me and I wouldn't expect anything else.

I deduce, you did your better strafe

vangonaj wrote:I have not viper, and i can kill rangers. They are hard, but is posible. And if you cant kill ranger with viper3, you sux.

sure rr4,5,6 but more rr and whit ip, purge, rr5 up?

Ragabbash wrote:

vangonaj wrote:I have not viper, and i can kill rangers. They are hard, but is posible. And if you cant kill ranger with viper3, you sux.

sure rr4,5,6 but more rr and whit ip, purge, rr5 up?

My answer, some posts before:

vangonaj wrote: Need some luck too If ranger has ip2, purge2 and rr5 up you have 99% chances to die.

And the problem started when Noir said that rr4-5 rangers killed him.