@realac0
You dont play much RvR, do you? I stopped reading almost at the end at:
- Ws bugged, deal too mutch damage and get never evaded/blocked

You have half evade vs dual wielders dude:roll:

On the other hand, Assassins sometimes evade like hell and sometimes never. And I have to say that you shouldnt use def malus styles to evade more. Additionally block is too strong at the moment. Parry may be ok but we have to see what it is like when defense penetration is implemented.




@Noir
Sidestyle is no strafe? I only have anytime combo, evade combo and sidecombo which are useful. So I did sidecombo and anytime combo. I cant force evade dude and I dont think detaunt is useful vs a sb because you dont have poisons like a SB (which use the 3 style chain with detaunt).

I remember it was you that tried to land your positionals and it didnt work. Why do you need a rr10 ranger if you are so self confident. A RR5 should be enough especially if i have many points into actives ^^


With str/con debuffed I even make with piercing 30 to 40 mainhand less. Its almost like pd3. So you have one of the most strongest lines for melee with your char and complain about PD. I use the slowest bow available which means I hit every 4.3 seconds with 239 quickness. PA is an instant attack which also triggers 1 or 2 different poisons and also could crit (critshot is a double damage shot, which means 100% crit). Thanks to the high variance I can hit the same target for 5xx or 7xx.

Noir wrote:ronia you are so funny , you think normal that i need 2 add dmg for have equal dmg ? haha stop say bulls ... i respec 50 cs for try , last time i perf you, you took 300 (-450 ) , and last time you did a crit shot i took 650 that's normal? base hit on you is 40 . 300 more hp is totally nothing when the target hit 2 or 3x more than you.

and last duel we did you hadn't ip and i purged. thats mean you did absolutly nothing but taunt style ) & i win fight with 5%. and you didn't even straff , gimme a rr10 ranger and yuo won't get me under 60% with no ras

Noir, anyway u can't cry mutch, u are rr10+ and this mean a lot, but i have see u fight against some albs (arms, pala, infs) and have see u kill 2 ppl in a time, another time u killed 1 inf and u get inc from a rr5 pala (with buffs) and u killed him too with 30% hp's left.

U play a sb like my old shadowszerk sb on live. All laxe styles (and with your rr i am sure u can pa/cd too, maybe with a 5spec spec thx to your +x skills). After 1.60, no sb's was running with this spec after laxe fix (not NERF, fix), i respec'ed too and have started to understand what mean for other chars fight a bugged laxe stealther.

yes, i want to say something is wrong with laxe too.

and this is all a follow up to my other post:

- Why after 1.60 all sb's/rangers have started to spec high critical spec and no more pure melee? (while here only infs/ns spec critical?)
- Why scouts sux , hunters sux even if can spec pd+ip like rangers?
- Why a shadowblade can easly kill a armsman? (anyway u are high rr, but not chance a lot on my opinion)

how WS work,
how evade/parry work against dual wielders
damage of heavy tanks alb/hib
all 2handed damage (hunters too)

this are the real problems

This thread makes me puke.

@Ronian
i just give my opinion and yeah, maybe here i don't played a lot of rvr, but i can explain why:

just because is a joke

my question is:
how rvr u played on live? old days? or new if u want, for me same thing.
rr9 sb (rvr 1.60+)
rr7 skald (rvr 1.60+)
rr9 mincer (pvp after toa)
rr6 healer (pvp after toa)
rr7 infiltrator (rvr after toa)
rr7 ranger (rvr usa after toa)
and some others minor (enchanter, bard, theurgist,all on live not high rank)

so, pls, if u say i dunno how uthgard work, ok, i haven't nothing to say.
but when u say something like:

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You have half evade vs dual wielders dude:roll:

On the other hand, Assassins sometimes evade like hell and sometimes never. And I have to say that you shouldnt use def malus styles to evade more. Additionally block is too strong at the moment. Parry may be ok but we have to see what it is like when defense penetration is implemented.
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i just let u point that, is clear i know this, but u have evade 3, infs have evade 7 and u get debuffed str/con (mean less ws). So if we have 50% reduction (is true but don't forget u have it too) u have VERY VERY VERY LOW CHANCE to evade against a inf/sb with HIGHER WS, HIGHER STR and 50 thrust spec on main weapon.

this is how work on live, when i fighted a ranger with my inf or sb, basically i killed him with 50% EVEN IF THEY USED IP, just because i hitted higher, never get evade (lol evade 3) and evade a lot.

anyway i don t want to open a flame with u or others about this server, i just said what i see from my experience of the game.

If u think i am a noob for me no problem
have fun with your class but never try to play on live, u will have bad suprises when a rr3 inf sc'ed totally destroy u evading all and dealing 1,5 of your damage
play here, is better

c u

How to kill a ranger(warden):

1. activate bladeturn
2. sprint at him and start combat mode
3. watch out for his sidestyle action and countersidestyle him /// if parried strafe to side and back of ranger to easyly land 10 sec stun (evade rate not very high tough)
4. ???
5. Victory

Its very easy for me to kill ranger. Ronias winning chance is about ~5%. With RAs its 0,001%. Am I OP?

massivmampfer wrote:How to kill a ranger(warden):

1. activate bladeturn
2. sprint at him and start combat mode
3. watch out for his sidestyle action and countersidestyle him /// if parried strafe to side and back of ranger to easyly land 10 sec stun (evade rate not very high tough)
4. ???
5. Victory

Its very easy for me to kill ranger. Ronias winning chance is about ~5%. With RAs its 0,001%. Am I OP?

I trade my pd for parry spec But I hope block will be fixed soon because 2 or 3 blocks of 5 arrows is a joke Holz but you should also tell the other side of the story.

On the other hand most of the time you did it in front because I dont evade anyway that often vs you in front. Additionally with shield equipped I block more than I evade. Blockrate is really broken.

@realac0
My highst char was rr9 but that is not important because I had no fun with new frontiers and almost made only group rvr.

The problem is you dont read carefully and defense penetration isnt implemented on Uthgard. I never said that you are a noob but you clearly have no clue about how defense work right now.

Well...i admit that blockrate is very high atm, but blocking arrows really never was a problem on uthgard. Dunno if it is intended though. But still my BT blocks enough arrows before i reach you.

massivmampfer wrote:Well...i admit that blockrate is very high atm, but blocking arrows really never was a problem on uthgard. Dunno if it is intended though. But still my BT blocks enough arrows before i reach you.

Yes, and thats the problem you should have about 17% blockrate and not 25%+ more and weaponskill should penetrate defense. When we made duels i had about 17xx weaponskill with bow at you blocked in some duels 2 or 3 times and the bladeturn wasnt really the problem, but it seems you didnt recognize it. Some fight was like bubble, miss, bubble, block, miss and you inced with 100% life vs 5 times rapidfire.

But I have to agree to you. Warden is a strong melee class but everyone only cries about Ranger and PD. I would trade PD for parry spec and your stun anytime.^^

Yesterday, Fullbuffed 50-65dmg on a RR6lx Ranger with my best Styles. And he make about 120-140 + dmg add to me? 50% less dmg and don´t forgett, he can use IP. Funny! ^^

This is so sad for a pure Melee Class.

Madro wrote:Yesterday, Fullbuffed 50-65dmg on a RR6lx Ranger with my best Styles. And he make about 120-140 + dmg add to me? 50% less dmg and don´t forgett, he can use IP. Funny! ^^

This is so sad for a pure Melee Class.

Assassin a pure melee class, so poisons are melee? You definately do something wrong, other infs hit me up to 90+ mainhand plus viper3.

Funny, i use realy quick Weapons to reach Hitcap speed. I´m 5L5 and don´t want to Spec Viper3/Purge2 only for Emain Rangers, but if Odins Dead like now i must spec this again.

Ronian wrote:

massivmampfer wrote:Well...i admit that blockrate is very high atm, but blocking arrows really never was a problem on uthgard. Dunno if it is intended though. But still my BT blocks enough arrows before i reach you.

Yes, and thats the problem you should have about 17% blockrate and not 25%+ more and weaponskill should penetrate defense. When we made duels i had about 17xx weaponskill with bow at you blocked in some duels 2 or 3 times and the bladeturn wasnt really the problem, but it seems you didnt recognize it. Some fight was like bubble, miss, bubble, block, miss and you inced with 100% life vs 5 times rapidfire.

About defense penetration:

http://de.daocpedia.eu/index.php/Waffenf%C3%A4higkeit

(short summary in english)
The higher the weaponskill, the higher is the chance to bypass the enemys defense, and the variance is lower; definetly not the case on Uthgard.

I bet its because its too hard to find out in which way exactly weaponskill influences the chance to hit the enemy.

massivmampfer wrote:

Ronian wrote:

massivmampfer wrote:Well...i admit that blockrate is very high atm, but blocking arrows really never was a problem on uthgard. Dunno if it is intended though. But still my BT blocks enough arrows before i reach you.

Yes, and thats the problem you should have about 17% blockrate and not 25%+ more and weaponskill should penetrate defense. When we made duels i had about 17xx weaponskill with bow at you blocked in some duels 2 or 3 times and the bladeturn wasnt really the problem, but it seems you didnt recognize it. Some fight was like bubble, miss, bubble, block, miss and you inced with 100% life vs 5 times rapidfire.

About defense penetration:

http://de.daocpedia.eu/index.php/Waffenf%C3%A4higkeit

(short summary in english)
The higher the weaponskill, the higher is the chance to bypass the enemys defense, and the variance is lower; definetly not the case on Uthgard.

I bet its because its too hard to find out in which way exactly weaponskill influences the chance to hit the enemy.

this is the point i say about all my topic.
i admin haven't played here mutch to know how here work, but , as i said, i played a lot on live and have gone around all daoc patches till, maybe 1.90.

But as i said, on Italy rvr server was stuck at 1.60+ for very long time and this was the times where i had more fun (on mordred i enjoyed a lot too anyway).

WS have huge impact on defence (not on damage if i remember well) and that's why we see here some classes (see fotm rangers) that kill armsmans, or, yeah, infs so easy.

I can talk about friar too, 1300 ws 315 dex evade 5.
after debuff of sb's my ws don t go down (we are at old system, not new debuff ws/con, we still are at str/con).
Ok that 2handed have malus against dual wielder on evade (if i remember well), but IS NOT POSSIBLE with 1300 ws, 315 dex and evade 5 i got evade 9 swing on 10 against sb's.

like is not possible with evade7 inf (50thrust spec 44cc) i never evade (or really maybe 1 time) against an evade3 ranger (with high bow spec, if they hit with bow for 500/600/700 too with critical).

So, at the end of all, what on my opinion really need a check is that WS thing, mostyle than PD/IP (that is really clear).

and, yeah, fix the damage of 2h/polearm/spears/staff, that is pathetic.

I remember my friar on 1.65 with 5.5 staff hit sb's for 300/400+critc every swing and get evaded maybe 2 or 3 times making the fight against sb's/ns's very cool (only if they full buffed with red buffs, if not, i was going to destroy they even if they open with PA).
How work here?

Or old armsman hitting my sb for 500/600 with front positional pole style (don t remember the name) . The tactic was PA-CD snare , run.
come back, PA-CD snare run etc.
If try to face a armsman/hero even if debuffed, they was going to tri-shot me (too mutch ws, too mutch damage, too mutch high armour defence).
How work here?

All this things was happening on 1.60+.

@Noir:
pre 1.60, before SB fix, i was able to kill 2 infs in a time like u here

all this things have huge impact on rvr too, expecially for albion.
Only mercs can deal damage.
Armsmans sux.
and really low magic damage avaible (no one roll sorcs, cabby, wizzy are bugged etc)

while on Hib have less impact
hero low damage BUT
a lot of magic classes

for Mid seem work ok, think because is the only realm that can train 2h without a single spec dedicated

and u see all this things on rvr and on relic raid too.

rangers now are OP for how work all the melee system on Purga on my opinion, and of course, for the very unfun choice to use new ra's system (but i think this is clear).
So they take advantage of all things not working on this server:
- i think dual wielders class are all OP (mercs for first)
- ws don't work like should having huge impact on evade skills of assassins that are designed to evade A LOT on melee. Is the only defensive ability they have (evade 7 is a pain on live)
- new ra's system (giving they the pd/ip/rr5 combo that is crazy umbalanced against other chars, see infs that run with 1250hp's)


just my 2cent

c u

dear daoc-player,gms,qq-er,noobs, hibstaffler and other crossrealmer

isnt it time to change the °i-kill-all-easy-role° from our lovely ranger to a armsman as example maybe ?

let him due huge dmg with x-bow maybe, like the bow-based class ranger do dmg with meleeweaps.

wouldnt it be time for it, after enough months of fun and rp-farming for rangers ?

let albs now have the winnerclass at all.

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one point for u, my mighty NIXXian :
can u, as a hibbased player, stop comment threads wich are Hib-themes-affect ? in my opinion ur are to prejudiced for this.


and a point for other hibs :
can u answer me, why ur realmmates search Rangers in broad for tajendi or df-highlordsraids as maintank if ur Ranger isnt a LITTLE oped ?

Methusalem wrote:and a point for other hibs :
can u answer me, why ur realmmates search Rangers in broad for tajendi or df-highlordsraids as maintank if ur Ranger isnt a LITTLE oped ?

Is this is true? OMG