Rector wrote:

larsan wrote:1. Rangers hit way to hard in melee
2. Rangers take to little damage in melee.if spec PD (almost all do)

Is this intended by Mythic or are there bugs on Uthgard that make the Ranger stronger than he should be?

uthgard

rangers are on the wrong weapskill table here afaik (think blue said this some months back)

PD = NF RA which just dont work on this server *lol classic* setting, and PD was removed from archers on live also

kryptonite wrote:infis got 9 sec stun here too.

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It´s rare to see "one" Ranger alone.

Neju wrote:rangers are on the wrong weapskill table here afaik (think blue said this some months back)

Don't know on what table they are here.
According to this
http://www.dethguild.com/daoc/info/info ... ml#anchor8
those should be on the same tier:
Ranger - Melee
Shadowblade - Melee
Hunter - Sword
Infiltrator - Melee
Scout - Melee
Minstrel - Melee
Nightshade - Melee

Any dev response here?

Blue mentioned that he thought there were a bug, but there wasn't after he did some checkups

Neju wrote:

Rector wrote:

larsan wrote:PD = NF RA which just dont work on this server *lol classic* setting, and PD was removed from archers on live also

we use nf ras here all...
rdf, charge, woc, viper, ichor.... all not realy classic ras

Neju wrote:

Rector wrote:

larsan wrote:1. Rangers hit way to hard in melee
2. Rangers take to little damage in melee.if spec PD (almost all do)

Is this intended by Mythic or are there bugs on Uthgard that make the Ranger stronger than he should be?

uthgard

rangers are on the wrong weapskill table here afaik (think blue said this some months back)

PD = NF RA which just dont work on this server *lol classic* setting, and PD was removed from archers on live also

And in a REAL classic server without SI zones hibs don't have s/c charges, while in mid you can easily farm a red mob instead of Churiel or Legion to get one.

kryptonite wrote:

Celad wrote:

Artefact wrote:Take care about that the staff know that archery is op

LOL archery is not OP, archery is bugged as hell!!!!
In fact archery has nothing to do with Rangers, 95% of them are full melee.

archery is not op?
well... sehya hits me for over 800 damage with crit shot. 1-2 arrows more and i am dead on my ns

tell me another char (except pbae) wich can kill 1500 hp in 3 hits

OMG! Really a full bow specced 7Lx archer can kill you in 3 lucky* hits?! This is incredible!!! WHAT AN UNBALANCED CLASS!!!!!
This is like Tobly QQing that a pure dps toon like a zerk with all buff, aotg3, vendo mode, ecc ecc, can kill 1500 hp to a mage in two shots... pfff...


* 1) 800+ dmg for a critshot it's not easy to see, and a critshot is not easy to land because of the high dehid chance.
2) the 2 other shots are really lucky -> 350+ dmg with a shot mean no rf mode, right arrow choice and a BIG luck for the variance that bow dmg has here, also the archer has not to be rupted for 6-7 secs... mh... really improbable.

A small Lurikeen hiding behind (in) a Grave or behind a tree is hard to detect.

Most times i just die, because Arrows dont give any animation (and sometimes Tzaa kills me instantly:p).

2300 is a huge range, you cant escape in the right way within 6-7 Seconds nor Rapid fire spam.

Iceer wrote:A small Lurikeen hiding behind (in) a Grave or behind a tree is hard to detect.

Most times i just die, because Arrows dont give any animation (and sometimes Tzaa kills me instantly:p).

2300 is a huge range, you cant escape in the right way within 6-7 Seconds nor Rapid fire spam.

Not implemented the range of bows? like scouts had more range than hibs/mid one ?

Neju wrote:

Rector wrote:

larsan wrote:1. Rangers hit way to hard in melee
2. Rangers take to little damage in melee.if spec PD (almost all do)

Is this intended by Mythic or are there bugs on Uthgard that make the Ranger stronger than he should be?

What a bullshit. Rastah hits me up to 180 mainhand which slash on PD4 unbuffed. No way a ranger would hit that high.

zaszeadora wrote:

Iceer wrote:A small Lurikeen hiding behind (in) a Grave or behind a tree is hard to detect.

Most times i just die, because Arrows dont give any animation (and sometimes Tzaa kills me instantly:p).

2300 is a huge range, you cant escape in the right way within 6-7 Seconds nor Rapid fire spam.

Not implemented the range of bows? like scouts had more range than hibs/mid one ?

When i was leveling my Runemaster with an Hulkgroup a lurikeen ranger stood at the bridge (yes these bridge waaaaay above hulks). He could attack every member below, but i could just do Nearsight (2300 Range) when staying exactly below to him.

This was absolutely no 2100 Range.

kryptonite wrote:

Celad wrote:

Artefact wrote:Take care about that the staff know that archery is op

LOL archery is not OP, archery is bugged as hell!!!!
In fact archery has nothing to do with Rangers, 95% of them are full melee.

archery is not op?
well... sehya hits me for over 800 damage with crit shot. 1-2 arrows more and i am dead on my ns

tell me another char (except pbae) wich can kill 1500 hp in 3 hits

I guarantee you an assassin that lands PA + follow-up on a soft target will kill it faster than I could with a Crit Shot + 2 shots. Plus he can hit a moving or in-combat target and penetrate blade-turn.

I do agree that bow damage from a Lurikeen Ranger with 5.7 speed bow and red Dex/Qui is insane. But hey, isn't this a thread about nerfing Rangers?

Iceer wrote:This was absolutely no 2100 Range.

He's firing his arrows down from a huge height advantage. Normal bow distance is 2000-2200 depending on the class.

Ronian wrote:What a bullshit. Rastah hits me up to 180 mainhand which slash on PD4 unbuffed. No way a ranger would hit that high.

I might have believed that until I read unbuffed. This is pure bull :p

Ok guys as we have gone offtopic :

Lets compare Rangers to real life:

So in real life a ranger would be...

The Hulk
Superman
King Kong

did i miss any lol.....

I got wasted by Rolator last night in 5 hits, a rr9 ns, as a rr5.2 Sb I accept this, i also occasionally kill a ns who is more my realm rank.

I dont accept being absolutely torn a new one by a 4l3 ranger and him being on 60% hp, and losing 25 of 26 last fights 1v1 against rangers as my inept playstyle.

Sure Im not the best but i win some...except versus rangers...hence can the rangers posting they r normal and they die sometimes stop the bs and quote how many fights versus sbs they win and die against as i have.

My guess i s one death per 5-10 wins on sb's.

This isnt right, combine that with the massive new amount of rangers playing - no longer possible to play an sb for fun...no fun....no play

nixian wrote:

Stressed wrote:I hope I tried to do that previously with my story of an sb - but it was insta locked ;(

But at least I understand - so thank you

There is a difference in "making a story" and "bringing arguments"

one of them creates a good discussion, the other just makes it take longer to figure out its a QQ/flamebait/flame thread

I dont have the knowledge that for example seyha has on the RA's classes etc, all i know and canbring to a table is when u lose 25 fights against one class and win one fight BUT you win average amnounts agianst other classes something doesnt add up. I tried in my story to show this and display after the months of effort to build a decent sb its was pretty dissapointing, I dont wanna win all fights, just some, this isnt possible on uthgard. I either suck or as others echo something isnt working.