Snigel wrote:
Maybe ask Jig, Stief, Arlen, Bugsy, Skalnora, Sukkles. Just to name a few people managed killing rangers.

I've killed Rangers. Can I ask myself?

Hmm, if i remember right every stealther is able to choose his target.

Every real stealther class also has access to MoS. This means that the Ranger's only natural opponents are other stealther classes. This means that you need to balance the abilities of the Ranger against other stealther classes, and preferably other archers.

And before another pointless Viper 3 wickerman arguement is made, no one is saying Viper 3 and Assassin dot spamming is balanced. The irony is that as long as Rangers remain OP you can't nerf assassin poison because Viper-spam is the only effective way to kill a Ranger.

Once again other classes suffer because of Ranger imbalance.

Seyha wrote:What class is good against a Ranger?

Snigel wrote:Maybe ask Jig, Stief, Arlen, Bugsy, Skalnora, Sukkles. Just to name a few people managed killing rangers.

Seyha wrote:I've killed Rangers. Can I ask myself?

So, what exactly is your point?

Rangers must be broken cause you don´t win on every ranger inc?

Are you kidding?

Seyha wrote:Once again other classes suffer because of NF RA imbalance.

Fixed that for you.

Ranger is OP? Maybe yes or not. Ranger start be hard enemie when he has ip2, pd4 and some good passives. Before rr5 ragers are easy enemies. I can kill rangers, and i lost vs rangers too. There are ever the most powerfull class. Best archer is ranger, best rupter teurgist, best dd zerker...

And about viper3. If GMs want they can remove it, i have not problem.

Snigel wrote:Are you kidding?

You named players instead of classes, so you should ask yourself that question. My point is that you can cherry pick encounters where the Ranger lost due to a variety of factors. None of which are unique "weaknesses" of the Ranger class. For example, the Hunter often loses because it gets evaded 50% of the time and its 2hand DPS is poor. The Scout loses because Slam gets purged and it has to fight Dual Wield classes which halve its block-rate and evade chance.

The Ranger (sometimes) loses due to a combination of bad luck and poison-spam. Hey, guess what, this problem isn't unique to the Ranger class.

Remove (or at least nerf) viper and (remove) pd for archers imo.
After implementing ws factors/tables for all classes ofc.

Seyha wrote:You named players instead of classes ...

Doh! Excuse me, named various Shadowblades, Infiltrators and an Armsman to show up how ridiculous this whole ranger QQ is.

Enough said - can be closed now

Celad wrote:

Artefact wrote:Take care about that the staff know that archery is op

LOL archery is not OP, archery is bugged as hell!!!!
In fact archery has nothing to do with Rangers, 95% of them are full melee.

archery is not op?
well... sehya hits me for over 800 damage with crit shot. 1-2 arrows more and i am dead on my ns

tell me another char (except pbae) wich can kill 1500 hp in 3 hits

Armsman (on live)

Noir and Stressed as known as Starksy and Hutch are revealing an Uthgard crime!

I can't believe it!






Im still wondering why dont you wanna use Viper. It's your RA Choice! There is nothing honorable not taking it. It is like Healers without Divine Intervention, or Lighttanks without Charge/Determination.

Leave Vanish instead

Seyha wrote:

Snigel wrote:Are you kidding?

You named players instead of classes, so you should ask yourself that question. My point is that you can cherry pick encounters where the Ranger lost due to a variety of factors. None of which are unique "weaknesses" of the Ranger class. For example, the Hunter often loses because it gets evaded 50% of the time and its 2hand DPS is poor. The Scout loses because Slam gets purged and it has to fight Dual Wield classes which halve its block-rate and evade chance.

The Ranger (sometimes) loses due to a combination of bad luck and poison-spam. Hey, guess what, this problem isn't unique to the Ranger class.

Well...maybe naming players is a proof, that a class can indeed kill something when well played. That has nothing to do with luck in general (though a bit of luck will always help )

@ kryptonite: Assassins with CS. Nerf damage plz^^

massivmampfer wrote:

Seyha wrote:

Snigel wrote:Are you kidding?

@ kryptonite: Assassins with CS. Nerf damage plz^^

no assasian does a pa for 800 and 2 follow ups for 400 on another stealther ^^ (maybe with viper 3 and switching each swing+crit luck, but sure not every time)

Snigel wrote:

Seyha wrote:Hmm, if i remember right every stealther is able to choose his target.

Are you kidding?

how can a stealther choose his targets when they are seen with mos4+. even if for some crazy reason you live a ranger encounter vs a RR3+ you will be killed by the one around the corner, or maybe by the other 4 standing around watching.

the problem is not mos4+ the problem is even if they dont have it they will own you toe to toe hands down.
There are no options, no RAs to spec, no salution other than coming with 3 friends or not loging on.

This reminds me of the days that inf had a 9sec anytime stun off evade.
Everyone knew there was a problem, everyone saw it. It took 2 years to be fixed. When they fixed it everyone was like, duhh.... ya think?

Like most I hardly bother going hib side of DF. Also when I'm alb side (thats rare) I basicly just keep an eye out for rangers, because i can "choose" not to fight a inf.


so to sum it up.

1. Rangers hit way to hard in melee
2. Rangers take to little damage in melee.if spec PD (almost all do)

like I said it feels like the old days with the inf 9sec stun. Everyone knows its a problem, just not willing to part with there OP class and fix it because they want to keep playing them the way they are.

larsan wrote:1. Rangers hit way to hard in melee
2. Rangers take to little damage in melee.if spec PD (almost all do)

Is this intended by Mythic or are there bugs on Uthgard that make the Ranger stronger than he should be?

infis got 9 sec stun here too.

i myself played a ranger here till 6Lx, than i switched to ns.
and ns with viper 3 is MUCH stronger than every ranger.
i can beat every ranger in duel.
sometimes i loose too.
and?
thats daoc.