DarkKnghtZ wrote:@OP

I had an inf and found the same issues with you.

Here is how you MUST play an assassin, or you will die 99% of the time to melee ranger.

Viper 3
Swap weapons.

If you dont, you will not win. Why? Its not because of the mythical "PD is broken" although it certainly does not belong on a melee class.

Here is why rangers are OP (and the reason I re-rolled a ranger):

Self buffs = This by itself is Iwin vs almost every other class 1 on 1. But lets compare. They use an AF charge? Yours is still better. They use a dex/qui pot/charge? Almost always yours will be better. Damage add? Anyone can get a 30 second one (which is very good) but yours is on all the time, costs you no money, and doesnt require you to use a charge mid fight. Then lets give you base str for insult.

LOL, you have to spend 40 points for a BETTER d/q buff than the charge, although the lvl 29 one gives only 2 points less than the charge. On the other hand the charge damadd sucks compared to the charge one. Charged damadd is the best dps boost for any SB, but only some use it...

Night wrote:if he win u will delete your chars?

I'd actually be interested in a reasonable bet if I knew what spec and RAs Add will take for his Hunter.

why do people always get so riled up defending rangers?

rangers are overpowered, so what. no one seems to care.

as for taking 3 sb's it could be possible with a lot of luck (just having the possibility to come out of this battle alive is pretty awesome)...but not easy specially if they frontload poison by having 30 weapons. but as for 1 sb taking a melee ranger, not gonna happen.. once in a BLUE moon a sb 2-3lvls above me takes me, same lvl no, not happening.

I don't care how much info you want to jam into this forum Zoinks lol (I noticed you seem to defend rangers 24/7 when someone mentions them being overpowered) the facts still remain true...

to the people saying "he will find out when he's 50" my ranger is 41 and really after templating nothing has been able to stop me in a fair fight or even 2v1's in wilton. plus to add to that i took a 48 SB in DF who popped a potion while i didn't and i still won. found him a few more times same result. a 41 pwning a 48 he was over on hib so fast messaging me calling me a cheater haha love it

now i am not agreeing with the level of overpowered'ness some people claim, however a LOT is in our favor and unless you are a complete newb it's an easy class to own with..

not claiming nerf them (lol), but I just find it hilarious when people truly think the class is 100% balanced. come on.

oh i figured I should edit: add a NS friend to poison your weapons and you can have some real fun, people posting on the forums going NUTS because u rolled them so easily

its true that nothing is real balanced in daoc, but this is what daoc is the diffrences are what the game maked big one time... and the patches to make all nearby same destroyed daoc... isnt it so?


my hunter i will make meleespec too tillrr6 i will use spear and from rr6 i have to test a bit then i decide which will be my endskill


50spear 42bc 39 stealth to rr6

- maybe 50 sword 31bc 35 bow rest stealth later but i have to test first.

for add and dam we both used more than 700kbp for test all ways and all tricks at skillways (we never was hib before on live we played sb both and later i played hunt)

ra´s i decide every rr which is needed most and it depends on my skillway i choose also.
but my most important ra will be first aid. if u know how to use it rigth u can rock with this ra many enemys ;D

made today my lvl37 on hunter and preparing already for dragonraid with my heal to get a dragonscale bracelet for my template (last item i need)

i hurry much as i can with my hunter, btw u can follow my way if u want his name is <Edgtho> and is a member of the guild <Joint Operations>
i hope i will get into rvr soon

and again seyha showed me real skill ... i learned today how to duo a solo with crippling poison... thats big cinema... real big .

It all comes down to the person behind the screen, Not everyone can be there best because from my knowledge there are a few people that can take 4 or 5 steps ahead of themselves while in a fight. To make those fast decisions to win or survive a battle..

You just need to get better iceer its all thats too it, no class is better than the other it's who is behind the screen is better than the other person behind there screen plain and simple...

You wanna take on and kill a ranger then learn how a ranger player research them find out there strageties and use that to benefit you mind you i am a NS, but you don't think that we dont study how a SB plays mind you most i have seen as others said in previous posts, they dont play or use there skills to there advantage properly. so thats why Rangers win the battle...

Thats my two cents..


Cheers..

Joint-Operations wrote:and again seyha showed me real skill ... i learned today how to duo a solo with crippling poison... thats big cinema... real big .

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kardaff wrote:You wanna take on and kill a ranger then learn how a ranger player research them find out there strageties and use that to benefit you

There is no strategy to playing a Ranger because the class has no weakness. Strategy entails hiding your weakness while exploiting your strength. The Ranger is powerful at range, powerful in melee, immune to detection from MoS with camouflage, can tank an insane amount of damage with PD+IP 2, has a speed shout for kiting and a nice RR5.

There is literally no class-specific weakness associated with the Ranger.

thats perfect then sign me up for a ranger then.. i sometimes debaiting about my NS now adays. hehe.. but i been gone for a year and some...

Seyha wrote:

kardaff wrote:You wanna take on and kill a ranger then learn how a ranger player research them find out there strageties and use that to benefit you

There is no strategy to playing a Ranger because the class has no weakness. Strategy entails hiding your weakness while exploiting your strength. The Ranger is powerful at range, powerful in melee, immune to detection from MoS with camouflage, can tank an insane amount of damage with PD+IP 2, has a speed shout for kiting and a nice RR5.

There is literally no class-specific weakness associated with the Ranger.

a hunter can use all of this too ? wtf use your brain a littlebit !
the onlything which ranger has diffrent are the offhand (hunter have a pet for this) and a dmg add (which shall be the pet too) but a ranger cant rupt a bowman with pet and kill another... hunter can... think about u have to use your abilitys intelligent not as pure dmg ... dmg dont wins... tactic does...


for example hjodr nearly killed me in melee (where is the problem) i pushed ip purge for this and i hit rr5 as i was to low... run away hit first aid stealth and hit him again so i won this figth, but died at his dotproc....

hjodr nealy won vs me , i had a tactic to avoid this, but at the end we both was lieing in the dust. it was a very interresting figth for both of us and this is what i am looking for.. i dont need to win all time, but i need to have the chance to win .

Joint-Operations wrote:a hunter can use all of this too ? wtf use your brain a littlebit !

If you honestly believe that a Hunter can perform at the same ridiculous level in melee and archery as a Ranger on this server then you are going to get your ass kicked. Stop playing Add and level your Hunter because I can't wait to see this happen.

Joint-Operations wrote:the onlything which ranger has diffrent are the offhand (hunter have a pet for this) and a dmg add (which shall be the pet too) but a ranger cant rupt a bowman with pet and kill another... hunter can... think about u have to use your abilitys intelligent not as pure dmg ... dmg dont wins... tactic does...

What a bunch of nonsense. You rupt a bowman with your pet and he'll either switch to Rapid Fire and spam-attack through the interrupt, or switch to melee and come own you with his friend.

The pet as a damage add is a joke. It doesn't come close to matching the damage increase from the Ranger's damage-add buff, or the DoT poison of an assassin. It exists as a slow moving interrupt tool that can be CC'd for minutes.

for example hjodr nearly killed me in melee (where is the problem) i pushed ip purge for this and i hit rr5 as i was to low... run away hit first aid stealth and hit him again so i won this figth, but died at his dotproc....

hjodr nealy won vs me , i had a tactic to avoid this, but at the end we both was lieing in the dust. it was a very interresting figth for both of us and this is what i am looking for.. i dont need to win all time, but i need to have the chance to win .

Hey, thanks for the great story about how a 7L5 Shadowblade (and a far better player than you) almost beat you.

You realize that Hunters don't have a 5 second non-purgable stun, don't you? Good luck kiting away to use first aid when almost every class you go up against has a back-snare.

When your uber 50 Sword spec Hunter gets str/con debuffed and evaded 10 times in a row maybe then you'll realize that you aren't the tactical genius you think you are.

seyha the 50 sword issue u tell me here, i know already from blade spec... and the only pronlem on this server would be (at hunter) maybe missing 2h bonus (but why a 4lx hunter medinaa can nealy kill me and u not?^^) and maybe the defense penetration of second attacker (pet) if its like this i will report it so that uth staff can fix it, but hunter is not weak!

nothing else i can imagine will be bugged at hunter here.
and the swordspec is for higher rr MAYBE , as i said i will test the sh.it ...

I nearly won against Add, and I'm a 4Lool. I must be a great player with a great class.

the good on the ranger here is
u dont need any ras cause if u hit 50 u get all then
pd5 ip3 purge3 mop5

and all u do fits at the first time
and u have just to autohit cause of dmg add and selfbuffs
u dont need any sc get just the epic for the optic
u cant use respec stones cause its wasted
u have allready all on 50 ish
if u destealth an fg will die when u come out of camu
no arrows hit u cause u wear the epic !
and yeah the rr5 will devastate an fg hunters
and the best thing ist u dont need to invest mony in this char
just the training digger and an beer mug are enough

I love these "almost beat me one time" stories. Where are the "consistently wins" stories? Hey, I solo'd Syuviel once and he even had IP up and I was only RR6. Hunters must be ok!

Stop playing Add and level your Hunter.

Madinaa is a great player, by the way.