Ronian wrote:Use fast spear for strafing stun and switch to a slower while the opponent is stunned.

Roni ill do only one question. Need you swith weapon for strafe?

vangonaj wrote:

Ronian wrote:Use fast spear for strafing stun and switch to a slower while the opponent is stunned.

Roni ill do only one question. Need you swith weapon for strafe?

Not really but a faster weapon helps to land the backstyle a lot

Ronian wrote:Not really but a faster weapon helps to land the backstyle a lot

You only need to land back-style once, so I don't see what the point of this is. If you're missing the back-style a lot then you're probably not doing a lot of damage which means you're probably getting your ass kicked. A faster spear isn't going to save you in this situation.

If your enemy allows you to land a back-stun in melee more than once then he is a noob. A side-stun is much harder to avoid.

not really a back strafe is much easier than a sidestrafe (which i dont use because i hate strafe, but most times enemys try to strafe me and land theirself my sidestun)

and a 4l7 hunter is gimped thats true u need 6l+ for make a good dmg with hunter , same as with blade ranger, pierce ranger is good from rr1 but he have the problem of resistant armor at stealthers.

and i know how gimped a bladeranger is under rr6 i was blade from rr1, was a fail but i dont care because its my first ranger.

also i have my hunter longer than my ranger here on uthgard, i only play a ranger because i and dam have seen that there was only a few hibs at this time as we begun here on hib, but my hunter i love much more because i loved it also the 3 years on live. and i only stopped play hunter because of malmer (unbeatable) and archery patch (which was one of the biggest hunter nerfs)

If someone doesnt like the archer or Ranger, then that person should make that class and prove there point at lvl 50. And point out where the bug is that makes it not correct to live. And dont give the normal respone of " the dmg is to high " " PD is too strong " and so on. None of that actualy says anything exept you got killed and you didnt like it.

totally agree to zoinks - and i will make my hunter to show all of u hunter/sb which are qqin that ranger isnt so hard as u expect.

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Joint-Operations wrote:totally agree to zoinks - and i will make my hunter to show all of u hunter/sb which are qqin that ranger isnt so hard as u expect.

This is going to be awesome. This is actually the perfect karma for a corpse spamming easy-mode player like you.

totally agree with Seyha =) take a movie where you beat a ranger with a hunter same rr please !

if he win u will delete your chars?

Night wrote:if he win u will delete your chars?

i hope so^^

i will also try to beat higher ranger with low rr hunter ! and even if i lose because rr i will figth as good as i can and show u that hunter is a strong class too, on live hunter was the overpowerded charackter.

but some players here really think it would be better if ranger have no pd no camou no buffs but hunter gets all? and a 300dmgpet with desease garotte and cs abs debuffstyls? are u serious?

u mids should be happy about that your evadestyles are completely implemented, believe if it would be at ranger then i would agree that ranger is oped (blade-evadestun+bladeparrycombo on evade....) believe me u never seen a overpowered ranger which kills a whole stealthgrp solo... but i have.

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I think the issue is some people dont know how to make full use of there classes. Example there is many uses for the hunter's pet, then just dmg. Example, can be used to keep the ranger from attacking from range , while the hunter uses Wounding Thrust to hinder there movement, giving the hunter time to get some distance to ether turn and use bow or to get away, but do you see anyone do that, no.

Also i think ive heard that when you have more then 1 enemy on you it reduces the evade rate, so the hunter + pet on a ranger would reduce the rangers evade rate also, maybe not as much, but still not as bad as the claim. And you can always run threw them just before your going to strick to get past there defenses, i do that alot vs high defense classes with shields.

If you dont put much work into tactices, then your right, your class is too weak to beat other classes, but that isnt are fault. With such crappy bow dmg, and hunter having some issues with there pet, no wonder the ranger is doing better. And if there really is something wrong with the ranger, then explain what extra is not live like and make a detailed bug report. Unless this is about cusomt changes to make it easyer for you to win.

but some players here really think it would be better if ranger have no pd no camou no buffs but hunter gets all? and a 300dmgpet with desease garotte and cs abs debuffstyls? are u serious?

not on Uthgard m8

more like a 20 dmg rupter

@OP

I had an inf and found the same issues with you.

Here is how you MUST play an assassin, or you will die 99% of the time to melee ranger.

Viper 3
Swap weapons.

If you dont, you will not win. Why? Its not because of the mythical "PD is broken" although it certainly does not belong on a melee class.

Here is why rangers are OP (and the reason I re-rolled a ranger):

Self buffs = This by itself is Iwin vs almost every other class 1 on 1. But lets compare. They use an AF charge? Yours is still better. They use a dex/qui pot/charge? Almost always yours will be better. Damage add? Anyone can get a 30 second one (which is very good) but yours is on all the time, costs you no money, and doesnt require you to use a charge mid fight. Then lets give you base str for insult.

Other reasons that seem small but add up to too much:

IP on a PD class...

Dual wield is already known to be the best DPS since 2h is nerfed.... So you have the best dps available, with the abovementioned buffs to back it up...

Against assasins, you wont get your big opener since most, if not all, archers spec at least mos3.

As you said, its like fighting an adult as a kid. I would probably compare it to an infant vs a K-1 Fighter, where the infant must spec nut-kick (viper) to win. If he doesnt, there isnt even a point in coming to the fight.

The ranger and almost every class that gains buffs by spec, is almost always on a lower table for damage and Health. You would have a point if the ranger or other buffing classes where tanks or light tanks with there kinda tables, because without the buffs they are balanced right off the bat vs those who also dont have buffs/have low table with spec buffs. But the fact is they are on lower tables, making every stat less effective for dmg and health, compared to others. Now there is simular classes on low tables who dont get self buffs, like comparing the ranger to a NS. Same exact tables, exept one thing. The assasin gets to spec for poisons/ str/con debuff.

LvL50 Ranger with 42 PF Buffs
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Str: 191 (51 buff) (debuffed to: 106)
Con: 125 (debuffed to: 66)
Dex: 288 (78 buff)
Qui: 256 (78 buff)

50 Pierc: 1180 WS (debuffed to: 1053 WS)
HP: 1208 (debuffed to: 996 HP)

LvL50 NS with 50 Poison
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Str: 140
Con: 125
Dex: 210
Qui: 178

50 Pierc: 985 WS
HP: 1208

Now yes the ranger is much stronger then the unbuffed NS with his 42 PF, but only if the NS doesnt use his debuff. If he does then the dmg WS becomes much less and since its a lower dmg table, this diffrence in WS for dmg is minimal benifit. The rangers HP drops about 200 HP also. Now for balance there would have to be things to counter each bonus vs each other, which that is simple. The rangers AF counters the NS poison con debuff, The rangers Damage Add counters the NS Dot, well some what, but then again PD can counter melee dmg to offset the dmg from the Dot with Viper. Now the ranger does have a little more WS/dmg, but you cant spec 50 pierc and 42 PF and be able to use bow, so by being full melee you lose the 77 spec pts from auto training for bow, since youl not be using it as much, while the NS auto trains stealth and will use stealth in any spec.

When you look at stats in this game, you have to consider the class, tables, what they can and cant get with possible specs and so on. Its easy for someone new to the game to look at self buffs as a great thing, but compared to some classes, other actualy dont need them and when you look at classes, look at what they can spec for, not as benifits, but what they need to use to compete. This fact is one of the reasons why uthgard isnt a buffbot server, and why charge/pot buffing would be in question still by the server. But first got to get the childrens un-true ideas about buffs and how they actualy work in this game corrected, before another nerf or remove of them. I dont see that happening anytime soon, to much experience from other i50 buffbot servers and buffbots from live to know what the game was like barbones. To make buffs like they blieve it, we would have to mod the server to current standerds on live, where the years of buffbotting had modified the game so much, that some classes, like the ranger/hunter and now scout are given free buffs, as they are not a feature anymore, but a freebe as everyone has them and they dont matter to spec for as much.

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did u ever play live?