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Postby Neju » Mar 09, 2010 15:13

who is SoI? oO
I two-shot Zerkers

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Postby Toblerone » Mar 09, 2010 15:13

You're too new to know :D
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[20:03] <@ref^^> I AM NOT STUPID
[20:03] <@ref^^> but i am retardd

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Postby nixian » Mar 09, 2010 15:32

Melodexx wrote:mb is dead most of them playing morrignas dead or /gc quit
vanquish is dead splitted on different guilds..
frsotbringer is dead also some joined for rolator zerg to shangra..

what is about .. uthgards macht ,cppt,AE,green avenger,lios alfar and the others .....

mk hexagone and some germans guilds left to go out for keep raids and guard tasks .......


its like this ,, icq 1423535464564557 sends u come on rvr!

after 30mins logged not another druid logged

/q sb logged sorry

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the rest of the guilds you mentioned arent really reguarly active so thats why i didnt bring them up

and yes hexagone is active and alive - however only for french people so not a real suggestion when someone asks for an english guild ^^

but yes.. we need to get Hibernia united again ..

can only say: Give it some time boys and girls - MK got some things brewing atm - just need some further discussions and you will find out :)

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Postby Toblerone » Mar 09, 2010 15:59

nixian wrote:can only say: Give it some time boys and girls - MK got some things brewing atm - just need some further discussions and you will find out :)


Sorry but this really made me giggle.
[23:53] <@ref^> i once hugged a girl you know

[20:03] <@ref^^> I AM NOT STUPID
[20:03] <@ref^^> but i am retardd

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Postby Healowner » Mar 09, 2010 16:04

Blue wrote:Thats why Mythic doesnt offer a forum.


Mythic uses VNBoards. The TLs post reports and suggestions there, and Sanya Thomas used to post and read the relevant that were taking place.

PS: When there's no RvR on alb I am leveling a drood. Mwahaha!
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Postby Brooms » Mar 09, 2010 20:30

nixian wrote:
Melodexx wrote:mb is dead most of them playing morrignas dead or /gc quit
vanquish is dead splitted on different guilds..
frsotbringer is dead also some joined for rolator zerg to shangra..

what is about .. uthgards macht ,cppt,AE,green avenger,lios alfar and the others .....

mk hexagone and some germans guilds left to go out for keep raids and guard tasks .......


its like this ,, icq 1423535464564557 sends u come on rvr!

after 30mins logged not another druid logged

/q sb logged sorry

i


the rest of the guilds you mentioned arent really reguarly active so thats why i didnt bring them up

and yes hexagone is active and alive - however only for french people so not a real suggestion when someone asks for an english guild ^^

but yes.. we need to get Hibernia united again ..

can only say: Give it some time boys and girls - MK got some things brewing atm - just need some further discussions and you will find out :)



We should be "mostly" good to go by this weekend. Finishing up some peoples gear and our bard is level 47 (though sc'd).

We've been actively opening DF for the final push to 50 (at night) and to finish all of our crafters. Rag tag group of Hibs inc. to emain shortly.
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Postby mfassben » Mar 10, 2010 01:55

i am not new here, but who the ****** are SoI...simply write down the whole name :P.

Anyways:
I think when it comes to activity things will switch back to hib in a while (not talking about balance in general here,just about pure numbers)
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Postby Greatreaper » Mar 10, 2010 07:34

frostbringer is not dead!

well at the moment we can´t offer a whole guild grp but 5-6 are aktive RvRing most building grp with some ally mates or other sympathric people like Rastah or Candanio (with drui,bm or warden :wink: )

running at about 3 days per week...(sometimes more)

ps: just one person left to shangri...

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Postby Zarkor » May 02, 2010 20:02

Zarkor wrote:Lemme just put up a list of what's solving the situation, or at least what we can do to try solve the situation. If those things prove to fail, then I agree that NF might be the better choice. However as long as they haven't even been tried, I don't wanna hear a word about NF. Give OF a real chance first, NF had its turn too...


Boosting casual RvR incentives:

- Add Realm wide keep/relic attack messages. (The guild that claimed it can still see numbers, doorstatus etc. The attack message is the only thing that should be realmwide)
- Add better bonusses for OF xp, aswell as better repop timers or spawn sizes to improve the incentive for players under lvl 50 to venture out in OF.
- Remove the latest BG and reform the lower ones. This way players that are willing to advance their character beyond level 40 will feel even more inclined to go to OF. If you're really so fond of BG RvR, the reforms of the lower BGs should give you enough opportunities. This isn't ment as an anti-BG change (we've got enough of them), but a pro-OF change. The cap for the last BG should be lvl 40 3L5. Details on the other BGs are retrievable in some of my older posts.
- Add an increased EXPERIENCE reward bonus for killing enemy players in OF (and only in OF). (15x instead of the current 10x) This draws not only levelers out level through PvE, but even to level through casual RvR. (ambushing xper hunters as a 4man xp grp for instance, hunting other xp grps etc etc) This is also a compensation for the removal of the latest BG. Leveling through RvRing should remain as interesting as it was in BGs, even in OF.
- Reinstall the solo kill-tasks.


Additional incentives that require more work, but will help the situation improve:

- Implement the OF RvR dungeons.
- Implement Old RAs with a few balance tweaks (det for hybrids, mof, possibly mos for archers). General balance between Hib-Alb-Mid at a casual RvR level will improve. (Try beating a mid pug with a hib pug with the current setting, most of the time u'll lose due to the fact that hib pugs need a lot more coordination and rely on casters more than on OPed charge tanks...) And, passives scale differently, making higher tiers not as powerful as they are with NF RAs.


Because the RA system is such a controversial topic which I don't want to go in any further and implementing the OF dungeons means way more work for a relatively small additional incentive, I suggest sticking to the first five points to improve the situation and go from there.

What's important is that this solution comes ASAP. Things are getting worse. I can imagine people not even bothering to log in to RvR anymore when they can't enter DF...


Bump+summarisation.

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Postby Astealoth » May 02, 2010 22:00

Zarkor wrote:Solution? -> remove BGs beyond lvl 40 and make xping in frontiers worthwhile, see post.


i've said this time and time again. it's a level beyond obvious that i can't even comprehend. noone believes me, what makes you think that your ultra wall will make anyone care? although i do personally think the cap bg should be 44.

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Postby Zarkor » May 03, 2010 01:30

Astealoth wrote:
Zarkor wrote:Solution? -> remove BGs beyond lvl 40 and make xping in frontiers worthwhile, see post.


i've said this time and time again. it's a level beyond obvious that i can't even comprehend. noone believes me, what makes you think that your ultra wall will make anyone care? although i do personally think the cap bg should be 44.


Meh, I guess it's better to not expect anyone to care, you've got a point...

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Postby Gil » May 03, 2010 09:54

Zarkor has described the problem quite well. He, however, like Uthgard Staff (IMO), isnt intrested in any proposed solution other than his own.

My Prediction, we will continue to see more of Zarkors Wall of Text proposals. They will be attacked by the usual gang of forum warriors and ignored by Uthgard staff.

Maybe if we got off the forums and actually played RvR...

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Postby Iceer » May 03, 2010 09:58

Hello Zarkor!

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Postby Zarkor » May 03, 2010 12:10

Gil wrote:He, however, like Uthgard Staff (IMO), isnt intrested in any proposed solution other than his own.

False, the keep aspect isn't my idea, Feelit brought that one up and I must admit it's a decent possibility. Whenever people come with more solutions I won't hesitate to consider adding them to the list if that's allowed by them. However such things just don't seem to happen all that often...

Gil wrote:Maybe if we got off the forums and actually played RvR...

I do actually play RvR... ;)

Iceer wrote:Hello Zarkor!

Someone get rid of this ridiculous troll. Thx.

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Postby Sethor » May 03, 2010 12:35

Zarkors analysis has been short listed and discussed within the staff-forum. So far, we may only tell you that we do agree to Zarkors complex analysis of the problems causing the lack of interest in OF-RvR, which is why we are currently discussing and working on possible solutions. For now, we cannot give you an e.t.a. for changes to take place.


However, the topic is now locked due to continuous spamming and trolling.
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