Seyha wrote:You'd run out of endu real quick. How long do you have to wait after attacking some one before you can engage them?

would require an end pot for sure, I thought the time was 10 seconds but I can't say for sure. No clue how engage works in RvR on uthgard.

i know scouts who were doing this on live, but I am just curious to see if one had tried it here.

we should really quit the ranger QQ. i say this as a pure midgard player.

i play various classes, one being a SB. from the view of a SB the ranger is the class of doom. by design this sould be merc and bm, but they are a lot easier, due to various reasons (need to spec det and charge, vanish if something happens, no pd, no selfbuffs, visible, etc). most other classes just stand a chance if purge is not ready. this leaving rangers as the only class of doom for the SB and having one such class is ok for me, even if it's the wrong one here on uthgard.

i have a RR5 hunter too, but i better not view things out of his perspective. we would have to name the classes which are not classes of doom to be effective.

the ranger maybe needs a nerfing, but this is not achieved through QQ. do tests and bring proof.

Lev wrote:we should really quit the ranger QQ. i say this as a pure midgard player.

i play various classes, one being a SB. from the view of a SB the ranger is the class of doom. by design this sould be merc and bm, but they are a lot easier, due to various reasons (need to spec det and charge, vanish if something happens, no pd, no selfbuffs, visible, etc). most other classes just stand a chance if purge is not ready. this leaving rangers as the only class of doom for the SB and having one such class is ok for me, even if it's the wrong one here on uthgard.

i have a RR5 hunter too, but i better not view things out of his perspective. we would have to name the classes which are not classes of doom to be effective.

the ranger maybe needs a nerfing, but this is not achieved through QQ. do tests and bring proof.

good one

Lev wrote:the ranger maybe needs a nerfing, but this is not achieved through QQ. do tests and bring proof.

Proof such as NF RAs + classic setting =/= livelike?

Just like (here) OF RAs = non playable hybrids.

Hybrids>rangers.

Just change PD as a pure caster ra

Noir wrote:Just change PD as a pure caster ra

Sure if they implemented ap3 and old ip I am fine with that ^^

Many like to point out they removed PD in new archery or there was no PD in old RA system. But they forget to point out the major diffrences, like in Old RA system there was simular RAs + some RAs worked alot diffrent, while new archery system had no PD, and gave the other archers buffs. But it also gave the ranger free buffs, allowing better specing. And just look at some of the style changes for the ranger too in the new archery, and just look at new archery shot types. Cant compare those diffrent system with this one or else you have to make all the changes, including the changes to other classes. If you disagree with the ranger, then go make one and test it out at 50, then you may judge.

O and i find it funny how there was so much volley crying back then and before the fix, i had bet that all the archers/rangers would just go back to full / high melee specing / Ra's and all those volley crys would turn into other crys, and here they are. So much of that now. Why not nerf bow, then melee, then just delete lol. I hope the staff dont take all these crys so seriously, they are not based on any proof given yet.

Ronian wrote:

Noir wrote:Just change PD as a pure caster ra

Sure if they implemented ap3 and old ip I am fine with that ^^

haha, melee Rangers will be worthless with OF RAs. Purge on a 30 minute timer. IP on a 30 minute timer. True Sight on a 30 minute timer. AP on a 15 minute timer. No MoS. No PD. Assassins with passive See Hidden detecting you at clipping range. You will be PA'd and stunned before you can activate AP and then you will get ******.

Honestly, it would almost be worth it to go back to OF RAs just to see a mass Ranger reroll.

Of course every other archer type will be worthless, so...

Accept for Scouts.

Seyha wrote:

Ronian wrote:

Noir wrote:Just change PD as a pure caster ra

Sure if they implemented ap3 and old ip I am fine with that ^^

haha, melee Rangers will be worthless with OF RAs. Purge on a 30 minute timer. IP on a 30 minute timer. True Sight on a 30 minute timer. AP on a 15 minute timer. No MoS. No PD. Assassins with passive See Hidden detecting you at clipping range. You will be PA'd and stunned before you can activate AP and then you will get [I am a little bunny and like flowers].

Honestly, it would almost be worth it to go back to OF RAs just to see a mass Ranger reroll.

Of course every other archer type will be worthless, so...

Accept for Scouts.

Yup Hunters will in your opinion become the worst stealther class (which they already are some would say), which means going Old RAs would be the worst mistake the Uthgard staff ever made, right?

Well not having MoS while assassins have MoS10 would make things certainly worse.

Zarkor wrote:Yup Hunters will in your opinion become the worst stealther class (which they already are some would say), which means going Old RAs would be the worst mistake the Uthgard staff ever made, right?

Nah, the Scout is worse off than the Hunter, but since you asked...

Loss of MoS

Loss of the best Archer RR5, and one of the better RR5s in the game imo.

Loss of passive PD

Volley as the super special uber Archer RA that you pay a ton of points for.

IP on a 30 minute timer. Even if it is 100% you're still helpless for the next 30 minutes.

Purge on a 30 minute timer. Oh boy, I'm only 18 minutes into my 30 minute cool down. I hope this Chanter doesn't quick-cast stun!

I run no PD, no MoS and 40 composite stealth and do fine.

Trabiaan wrote:I run no PD, no MoS and 40 composite stealth and do fine.

No offense Trabiaan but of all the Rangers I have encountered recently you are the least threatening. Are you spec'd in Toughness?

No offense taken. Besides our DF run in, where you got crit shot + 2 normal shots off due to my spec and your MoS, we haven't had any "encounters" that I can recall. If you see my spam, you be assured that I'm by myself, all you have to do is come looking.