harder doesn't equal longer

before 5l0 you just get rolled constantly by EVERYTHING

after 5l0 you atleast have a chance vs rr7-10 guys if they play badly

IF they play badly?

Worse Snan!

the worse playing group doesn't always loose in daoc

i did 5L on my healer in agramon pugs. i did 5L on my skald in NF emain and NF hadrians xp spots. im nearing 5L on my shadowblade on guard missions, DF camping, and OF rvr. skald and healer rr5 was super easy, shadowblade rr5 has been a little tough for me because of how quickly rr10 stealthers can find and kill me. no complaints tho, its always fun even when im hiding from the panzy ranger 5 mans that now plague emain.

Every realm has thier little stealth crews. I try to avoid the milegates completely.

After hitting RR4L2 in Thidranki I spent a lot of time farming for a nice template. In between I'd join my guild or /lfg keep raids for the extra rps. After I had put together my whole template I respeced to Slash/Shield hybrid and tried a few groups in emain. Of all the group RvR (not much actually) I'v done in Emain I only found one group to be fun.

So I respeced out of determination and went charge II, ip II, and purge I and also used buff pots/charges all the time. I also spent most of my time RvRing late/early USA times when you could solo in emain.

Add in many guard tasks/keep raids/stealther fights and now I'm RR5L7.

Oh, you can always RP up ganking xp'ers/farmers on Ellyll lmfao..

Trabiaan wrote:Every realm has thier little stealth crews. I try to avoid the milegates completely.

sure but i dont have to hide from the panzy sb 5 mans and the alb stealth groups roam unstealthed in full 8 man setups for some reason, u dont have to hide from that

I made the huge mistake of not doing hardly any BGs at all on my savage and was in emain (rolled here right before OF, which was released by the time I was 50) at RR2Lsomething IIRC.


I started off playing almost always on US primetime but this proved to be extremely slow going. At this time I was not fully templated, and being RR2L I didn't bother with soloing. Mostly ran in small groups, but some FGs when action picked up. RPS were very slow trying to play US times. I posted on the midgard forum asking if there were any guilds that needed people to run in 8 mans, Viva sent me a PM and I started to run with GDRW. Was probably RR3 by this time, and finished my template right around then as well. I eventually joined GDRW, and made most my RPS in guild groups or guild pugs running during euro primetime. US action seemed to start getting better too, so when I played during off hours it was better than before. After a couple weeks of active RvR grouping become much easier, as did collecting rps in non GGs during off hours.


I basically just kept grouping anytime I could, mostly with guild, and kept grinding toward RR5.


Honestly, the time it took me to get from 4L2-5L0 seemed fast, because by that time I was running more consistently in groups, so if you know people to play with I don't think it will take you long at all.

Force wrote:Honestly, the time it took me to get from 4L2-5L0 seemed fast, because by that time I was running more consistently in groups, so if you know people to play with I don't think it will take you long at all.

This is exactly the reason why I think having BGs end at lvl 40, with better XP possibilities in OF would actually help getting players used to end RvR a lot more than the situation we have now. I'm not saying they will magicly get loads of groups at 50, however they will have a way better chance of getting to know the end RvR community, which is vital if you intend(ed) on focussing on that.

I think the biggest flaw in our current system is that it focusses too much on numbers and completely neglects the social aspect of end RvR, which is entirely different from anything seen in those 49.5 BG orientated lvls. Being RR4L2 might help you compete with higher RRs in 8v8 situations. However the problem is most players don't have 7 friends they can reliably RvR with. The cost of having a 4L2 cap at lvl 49 is of course the fact that you need to build up connections when you are in a situation where you should have already aquired them in order to decently keep enjoying your character in the near future.
But it doesn't just end here. It's also the cause for the fact that even at 4L2, you will be pretty much the lowest RR around, with no friends AND no reliable smallman RvR possibility, leaving you dead in the water when it comes to getting both connections and higher RvR. The lack of casual RvR is partially caused by the fact that many players new to end RvR just aren't motivated enough to press on untill they have found their place, aswell as the fact that the presence of Thidranki and the lack of decent OF lvl 40+ xp spots/boni completely drain all the possible casual RvR targets out of OF.


I've said all this before I'm sure, but I believe that if this was actually changed, we'd be seeing a lot more and healthier end RvR in the future. Best would have probably been to do this together with the launch of Old Frontiers itself, however it's never to late to improve I'd say.

Agree. When I was in thid I did 70-80k rps per week, now that I'm 50 and 4L2 I can barely hit 20k cause I have been facing this exact problem.
I hope it is a matter of time, but it certainly hasn´t been easy lately.
Low RRs have more trouble finding groups cause they are unknown to most people, so the high RRs either have a closed (or almost that) group or tend to group with other high RRs cause they know them.
I'm not saying this is wrong, I did it myself too when played on live and was one of the "big guys", but maybe it gets harder here cause of OF and less players

Zarkor wrote:

Force wrote:Honestly, the time it took me to get from 4L2-5L0 seemed fast, because by that time I was running more consistently in groups, so if you know people to play with I don't think it will take you long at all.

This is exactly the reason why I think having BGs end at lvl 40, with better XP possibilities in OF would actually help getting players used to end RvR a lot more than the situation we have now. I'm not saying they will magicly get loads of groups at 50, however they will have a way better chance of getting to know the end RvR community, which is vital if you intend(ed) on focussing on that.

I think the biggest flaw in our current system is that it focusses too much on numbers and completely neglects the social aspect of end RvR, which is entirely different from anything seen in those 49.5 BG orientated lvls. Being RR4L2 might help you compete with higher RRs in 8v8 situations. However the problem is most players don't have 7 friends they can reliably RvR with. The cost of having a 4L2 cap at lvl 49 is of course the fact that you need to build up connections when you are in a situation where you should have already aquired them in order to decently keep enjoying your character in the near future.
But it doesn't just end here. It's also the cause for the fact that even at 4L2, you will be pretty much the lowest RR around, with no friends AND no reliable smallman RvR possibility, leaving you dead in the water when it comes to getting both connections and higher RvR. The lack of casual RvR is partially caused by the fact that many players new to end RvR just aren't motivated enough to press on untill they have found their place, aswell as the fact that the presence of Thidranki and the lack of decent OF lvl 40+ xp spots/boni completely drain all the possible casual RvR targets out of OF.


I've said all this before I'm sure, but I believe that if this was actually changed, we'd be seeing a lot more and healthier end RvR in the future. Best would have probably been to do this together with the launch of Old Frontiers itself, however it's never to late to improve I'd say.

<<< grouped with already exsisting high rr imba group.. was rr6-7 very was fast XD

Sonnenschein wrote:<<< grouped with already exsisting high rr imba group.. was rr6-7 very was fast XD

That would surely do it. Why did they want to group with a low RR?

Because shes F,booby bonus

Gil wrote:

Sonnenschein wrote:<<< grouped with already exsisting high rr imba group.. was rr6-7 very was fast XD

That would surely do it. Why did they want to group with a low RR?

because rr doesnt mean as much in 8v8, an rr4-7 group can win an rr 6-9 group if they play better or have a stronger setup

Astealoth wrote:

Gil wrote:

Sonnenschein wrote:<<< grouped with already exsisting high rr imba group.. was rr6-7 very was fast XD

That would surely do it. Why did they want to group with a low RR?

because rr doesnt mean as much in 8v8, an rr4-7 group can win an rr 6-9 group if they play better or have a stronger setup

That's the attitude I remember from Mid. It doesn't seem to work the same on Hib.