I ve fought Seppel rr8L8 nightshade the other day and he hited me with garrote for 188(-44) mainh using a 4.2 mainh weapon slash dmg and 2.5 offh slash weap VS studded mid. Now i can only asume that he was using bufs as: str/con, base str to increase his dmg and dext/quic ,perhaps haste..not sure .

Picture with his dmg:




I went on live after that and created a NS with this spec: 50+16 crit strike, 51 composite blades, i bufed him with +80str ( asuming Seppel used best str/con 56 + 20 base str from pots=76 str) and i also took augm str3 RA asuming seppel has augm str .

I did some unstyled hits on a target beeing a: blademaster all armours lvl 51 100% qual /cond having 19% slash resist same as i have on uthgard with my zerker ( actually i have 29% but-10%=19% slash)

Pic with ns base dmg hits from pendragon:
Max base dmg he did= 108(-25) 133
Min base dmg he did= 78(-18) 96




These r the garrote hits from live with 4.1 mainh and 2.7 offh :


The spec and bufs this ns from live has are maximal in my opinion , and from 188(44) dmg done on uthg to 151(-35) is a long way . I dont even know is Seppel had a haste buff, cause if he had his style dmg should have been even lower and thus all of his dmg lower .

This is a log where i have fought a blademaster with 20 seconds before Seppel's fight which is on this log also , and BM had base str ,str/con bufs and weapons 4.2 spd mainh and 3.1 spd offh.

Log here to downl bm and ns fights : http://www.mediafire.com/?mm5jwmzjhwy
Highest dmg bm did on me was 151 and he a s a celt race with higher str then a ns and on a superior dmg table , using an anytimer with growth around 0.58% at least, garrote having 0.75% . It seems funny to me that a lurikeen ns hits harder then a celt bm.

And last bot not least, since i play on this server i contantly got PA ed by ns s who were pierce spec for 450-490 max dmg on a 38% thrust resist ( i m 28+10% from armours) and i also got Pa ed for 660 (-154) dmg by slash ns .

This is PA slash dmg with 66 crit strike skill at the stats i told above on same target on live Pendragon :




Pic with Pa chain on live :


Obviously PA is v high on uthgard compared to live , and there is something wrong with ns ( perhaps all stealthers) base dmg and the way its calculated , or maybe with crit strike influence for dmg on other styles from CS line.

Some info about PA and style dmg:

1. Perforate Artery Cap = 75 + Critical Strike Spec * 9 + Nonstyle Cap
perf artery cap for this ns with this formula = 75+66x9 +215
Pa cap = 884
Live PA cap done with this ns = 892 dmg .( accurate enough)

2.Style dmg = ((Growth Rate * Weapon Spec) * Effective Speed) / Unstyled Damage Cap

Effective Speed = SPD * ( 1 – ( Quickness – 60 ) / 500) ) * ( 1 – Haste%)
Unstyled dmg cap = hit a lvl 1 mob
Growth rate of the style.

Lets see for our NS on pendragon.
eff speed= 4.1 x( 1-(258-60)/500)x 1
eff speed= 2.4764
unstyled dmg cap= 215
garrote growth=0.75
Style dmg= ((0.75 x 66) x 2.4764)/215
style dmg = 0.57014
57% should add to our ns's base dmg resulting final dmg.

Lets see a garrote hit i ve done on live, 140(-33)with +63 style dmg.
140+33 = 173 whole dmg - 63 style dmg = 110 base dmg
63/110 = 0.5727272 , it seems that live dmg was correct.

Now lets see the uthgard hit 188(-44) = 232 dmg Seppel did.

- looking at the log i fight he hited me unstyled for 99 dmg with his mainh weapon " [00:33:15] Your melee buffer absorbs 57 damage!
[00:33:15] Seppel hits your leg with his Grim Blade for 42 damage!
- i will take 99 dmg done on me, i ll add the 19% slash resist and we get 122 base dmg , and 110 style dmg.
- 232 full dmg / 232-110 = 1.90 , which means style dmg for Seppel was 0.90 % using the base dmg i randomly got from him, but the base dmg could have been higher etc.

I can asume a few posibilities:
- if 122 dmg is the base dmg he had for that hit , 0.90 style dmg is wrong when it should have been abit higher then 0.57% what i had on live duo to his weapon beein 4.2 and not 4.1 but not with much ;
- if his style dmg was correct and his base dmg was higher then 122 we have a problem because as you can see on live his base dmg should be around this number, if its higher again its a problem.
- i still dont know if he used haste alongisde with dext/quic buffs , if he used haste , he will have same unstyled dmg but his style dmg will be lower then 0.57% .

Remember:
- Crit strike skils affect and increase style dmg only, they do not increase also the base dmg like skils in weapon: pierce ,blades,blunt.
- PA and Backstab 1, BS2 done vs a siting target hit for extra 75% then normal dmg.

I hope you are joking dude

PA damage seems fixed here. It is no difference if you have pd4 or pd5 you will get the same damage of the same player. A long time ago even with ressick you got normal damage from pa/bs. Dont know how it is now.

Yes PA is a constant formula on Uthgard it has no growth rate. Maybe around 3,5-3,75 but it's not constant on different chars/specs. It has to be more than a simple style with very high growth.

Perforate Artery Cap = 75 + Critical Strike Spec * 9 + Nonstyle Cap

This is the cap formula. On Uthgard this forumla is used and AF and resists of the target are included to the damage output.
This is the reason there isn't a high difference between 1h and 2h PA - it's just the difference between 1h and 2h basecap (approx. around 70 without any AF/resists subtractions)

edit: You sure it wasn't Achilles Heel?
I did 180 with a RR1 Nightshade on a Nightshade (ressistant) with +57 from buffs and +26 with overcap (not a player char - to simulate augstr) on Uthgard with a 4.1 weapon.
Garotte was 134-152.

Something strange happens with NS damage. They do better damage than norse sb with zerk spec. First was Dam now Seppel. And 188(-44) its very very strange.

It must have been garotte because he got the "your movement is slowed" message. Don't forget studded armor is vulnerable to slash damage.

vangonaj wrote:Something strange happens with NS damage. They do better damage than norse sb with zerk spec. First was Dam now Seppel. And 188(-44) its very very strange.

What is strange? On live I did with realmrank 4 250 to 280 mainhand vs other stealthers. Ok, buffbot buffs and better gear but 100 damage more than here sounds ok for me!

And again for noobs:
Dam: 38% slash resistance (including armor bonus)
SBs Norse: 19% slash restiance

Additionally Nightshades mostly use HIGH growthrates styles from the cs line and not LA (LA has high growthrates too but not as good as cs styles).

That 180 dmg on me its the first hit he did, and i know how garrote animation looks ..i was under 40% he just jumped me , and the snare effect from garrote gave the "your movement is slowed" .

I have shown you what dmg a ns does on live with 66 CS spec and with what stats. I d like to know what spec is Seppel to be honest because i gave augm str3 and extra +80 from str buffs ,66 CS spec and dext/quic buff only, no haste to the NS on live .
So what if studded mid is weak to slash , we can take the whole dmg resulted including resists and its 232 dmg.
And about the PA, have you looked what dmg u make with PA on live at these stats ? If u want i ll make 100 PA's with log and post it, its not gona be never ever the PA dmg i get on uthg , so no i m not kidding.
As i said, there s something wrong with ns dmg table , or something about cs styles ..their style growth or so, plus PA and other special hits are by far higher in dmg on uthg then on live, from 470(-110) to 660(-154) its a long way and i will find the reason why its like that.

Ronian wrote:PA damage seems fixed here. It is no difference if you have pd4 or pd5 you will get the same damage of the same player. A long time ago even with ressick you got normal damage from pa/bs. Dont know how it is now.

What do i care about PD ? thats live dmg done VS blademaster resulting 19% slash resists, i play zerker also 19% abs ,19% slash resists vs this NS s PA and other hits.

Maybe it is a critical hit? Like 150 dmg normal + 30 crit? Or 130 dmg + 50 crit?

With my bladeshade on classic live, I was specced Master of Pain IV at RR8 .... Since MoP can not be purged or is prevented by remedy

You see critical hits. The damage is shown in other additional messages.

Garad wrote:Maybe it is a critical hit? Like 150 dmg normal + 30 crit? Or 130 dmg + 50 crit?

With my bladeshade on classic live, I was specced Master of Pain IV at RR8 .... Since MoP can not be purged or is prevented by remedy

It's garrote style.

Ând whats wrong with 180er hits from a rr8 ns? Don't think thats too much...

Played ns on eu and us classic.

Glacius. I can tell you that the PA damage formula on Uthgard gives high damages. Thats right. We have no correct formula yet. As far as I know this is on every DOL shard the case.

Glacius wrote:That 180 dmg on me its the first hit he did, and i know how garrote animation looks ..i was under 40% he just jumped me , and the snare effect from garrote gave the "your movement is slowed" .

I have shown you what dmg a ns does on live with 66 CS spec and with what stats. I d like to know what spec is Seppel to be honest because i gave augm str3 and extra +80 from str buffs ,66 CS spec and dext/quic buff only, no haste to the NS on live .
So what if studded mid is weak to slash , we can take the whole dmg resulted including resists and its 232 dmg.
And about the PA, have you looked what dmg u make with PA on live at these stats ? If u want i ll make 100 PA's with log and post it, its not gona be never ever the PA dmg i get on uthg , so no i m not kidding.
As i said, there s something wrong with ns dmg table , or something about cs styles ..their style growth or so, plus PA and other special hits are by far higher in dmg on uthg then on live, from 470(-110) to 660(-154) its a long way and i will find the reason why its like that.

Ronian wrote:PA damage seems fixed here. It is no difference if you have pd4 or pd5 you will get the same damage of the same player. A long time ago even with ressick you got normal damage from pa/bs. Dont know how it is now.

What do i care about PD ? thats live dmg done VS blademaster resulting 19% slash resists, i play zerker also 19% abs ,19% slash resists vs this NS s PA and other hits.

I wanted to say that PS/PA is fixed and you dont have to test it^^

And Seppel has Aug Str4.

No words men ...