2h particulary hero dmg vs reinforced armour on live

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Postby Toblerone » Mar 15, 2010 22:07

Min damage wasn't 114, it was 94. All of my target's armor was in good condition and there is no AF loss.


Blue wrote:What we don't see is which armor part was hit and in what condition it was.

114-266 damage shouldnt be possible under any circumstances beside the variance of targets armor. Normal variance is 75%-125% at spec 1. If this is reproducable /callgm to catch me online.


It shouldn't be possible, but it obviously is. No use denying it. Sure it's reproducable, I see it every time I play the hero.

Blue wrote:The variance is an indication that the Large Weapon spec was not used in this case


What do you mean LW spec was not used ? It was a crafted large weapon I always use in rvr and I have 50+17 LW spec.
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Postby Glacius » Mar 15, 2010 22:21

Toblerone, the dmg was 94(-20) that means your whole base dmg was 114, and i think you were res sick when u did 1st 4 hits because that low dmg doesnt re apear afterwards..not in that shortlog , thats why i asked you to remake the test, tell player to repair his armours all of em and hit melee unstyled only like 50 times or so.

What blue wanted to say is that indeed when u r 50 composite spec variation is reduced and dmg is higher , yet here if we compare 114 and 266 its something else, dont quote half of what Blue said only.

I try to help, but u need to remake the hits, those that u did ..half of em r styled and dont help at all, we need unstyled hits.

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Postby Blue » Mar 16, 2010 00:47

Yes 111 and 94 was completely off damage compared to all other ones. So I think you are right Glacius that it was Sickness. That means no bug in that screen.

Toblerone wrote:It shouldn't be possible, but it obviously is. No use denying it. Sure it's reproducable, I see it every time I play the hero.


Now I doubt that.
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Postby Glacius » Mar 16, 2010 01:16

Yes but still looking at min and max i did with same stats as he has , dmg on uthg is lower, still not enough hits to see min and max dmg, so we ll have to w8 for a new chatlog from Toblerone :).

WS issue remains also, after the WS calcualtor..Toblerone 's WS is too high on uthgard calculated by his stats skills.

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Postby Blue » Mar 16, 2010 03:49

As you know Glacius calculating exactly same damage as on live is a science.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
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Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard"
Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand"

[Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????"
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Postby Kaltess » Mar 16, 2010 10:31

Anyway,spears and polearms damages are too low on Uthgard !It makes no sense here to play so slow weapons.This have to be fixed.On live servers, armsmen were the main dps of Alb,and mercs the less played class.Here ,it's the opposite.Was the same with Hero and BM on Hib.The deal about those 2 class was:You got very slow weapons,but you got urge damages.Here,you hit for 300(average) every 5.5sec when merc/bm/zerk hit for 200+100 every 3 sec...
So you totally kill the armsmen,cause if you want defensive tank you take a pally,if you want offensive you take merc or reaver.The hero is saved, compare to armsman, because he's the defensive tank of hib.

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Postby Glacius » Mar 16, 2010 13:32

Blue wrote:As you know Glacius calculating exactly same damage as on live is a science.


Exactlythe same.. no, but at least close to it :). The last test i ve done shows the dmg this hero should do wit ha 5.4 weapon and 99% cond 100% qual , expecting toblerone s new test to compare.

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Postby Toblerone » Mar 16, 2010 16:08

Won't bother.
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Postby Glacius » Mar 16, 2010 16:47

Toblerone wrote:Won't bother.


No..really dont.. its hard to hit a player and post some logs, beter whine all day about it, and post logs with hits done while having res sickness ..you obviously have no clue how a character's dmg would look like cause u dont even take into consideration the (-??) so u lack DAOC inner game stuff alot and crying OMG what low dmg i do afterwards ! I maked 4 chars on live to help you and to see what 's wrong with LW dmg and u r so lasy that u cant do some tests on uthg, ****** off then and stop QQ ing about your dmg then.

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Postby Force » Mar 16, 2010 19:34

Toblerone wrote:Won't bother.


please don't bother complaining about hero dmg anymore then.

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Postby Toblerone » Mar 17, 2010 11:06

Force wrote:
Toblerone wrote:Won't bother.


please don't bother complaining about hero dmg anymore then.


I won't, recently remembered I have access to a friend's blademaster :grin:

Glacius wrote:
Toblerone wrote:Won't bother.


No..really dont.. its hard to hit a player and post some logs, beter whine all day about it, and post logs with hits done while having res sickness ..you obviously have no clue how a character's dmg would look like cause u dont even take into consideration the (-??) so u lack DAOC inner game stuff alot and crying OMG what low dmg i do afterwards ! I maked 4 chars on live to help you and to see what 's wrong with LW dmg and u r so lasy that u cant do some tests on uthg, [I am a little bunny and like flowers] off then and stop QQ ing about your dmg then.

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I'm just a player. I'm no staff member nor tester. I'm not gonna test anything.
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Postby Rose » Mar 17, 2010 11:14

Glacius wrote:
Toblerone wrote:Won't bother.


No..really dont.. its hard to hit a player and post some logs, beter whine all day about it, and post logs with hits done while having res sickness ..you obviously have no clue how a character's dmg would look like cause u dont even take into consideration the (-??) so u lack DAOC inner game stuff alot and crying OMG what low dmg i do afterwards ! I maked 4 chars on live to help you and to see what 's wrong with LW dmg and u r so lasy that u cant do some tests on uthg, [I am a little bunny and like flowers] off then and stop QQ ing about your dmg then.

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Postby Blue » Mar 17, 2010 19:53

Toblerone wrote:[I'm just a player. I'm no staff member nor tester. I'm not gonna test anything.

Then don't fill the forum with useless complains. I have to read through all such posts so I don't miss something important but its everytime like 80% of all posts are worthless in this forum and time wasting. Time which could be used to bring Uthgard forward.

If there is a bug, analyze it, report it, get it fixed. Glacius did it with success recently.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
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"It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something
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Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard"
Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand"

[Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????"
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