What do you mean by "that"?

If you meant the "procs", they came on live well before SI was released, both bow and melee weapon procs.
The oldest reference where a "proc" is mentioned I could find is Patch 1.43 (January 2002):
http://www.camelotherald.com/news/news_ ... toryid=156
It refences a Mischief Maker's Axe, that has a DD proc:
http://camelot.allakhazam.com/item.html?citem=2294
Yet the procs on both bow and melee weapons were on live long before that patch. Any old-time player can confirm that.

wrong. bow procs weren't implented on live a loooooooong time. i dont know the exact patch, but at the beginning of toa bow procs still were not working, but it was fixed later cause everyone qq't cause of their not working arte procs. to be clear : procs where on bows for a longer time, but they never worked.

Schaedling wrote:

What do you mean by "that"?

If you meant the "procs", they came on live well before SI was released, both bow and melee weapon procs.
The oldest reference where a "proc" is mentioned I could find is Patch 1.43 (January 2002):
http://www.camelotherald.com/news/news_ ... toryid=156
It refences a Mischief Maker's Axe, that has a DD proc:
http://camelot.allakhazam.com/item.html?citem=2294
Yet the procs on both bow and melee weapons were on live long before that patch. Any old-time player can confirm that.

wrong. bow procs weren't implented on live a loooooooong time. i dont know the exact patch, but at the beginning of toa bow procs still were not working, but it was fixed later cause everyone qq't cause of their not working arte procs. to be clear : procs where on bows for a longer time, but they never worked.

There is a difference between implementation (I think there were SI bows with proc but the majority with TOA) and bugfix to make it work.

We try to keep everything live like near classic times. For archers it's a big problem.

The complete Bow System has changed and can't be tested anymore. The whole dmg system on Live is not usable for Uthgard, so we try to get more informations like screenshots and log files from older patches.

Volley had a extreme bug and this one was fixed. An other way where to remove Volley completly so that nobody is able to whine about the dmg anymore.

I always read that a caster makes a lot more dmg than an archer, but if a archer should do the same dmg we must remove the armor, their melee weapons and reduce their hitpoint to create an equal level.

@eridon
Well, casters for sure make a lot more damage than archers but thats ok. You know that buffed sorcs make 3 times more DPS (different to damage) with lifetap than a bowspec ranger. A high realmrank spec nuker makes even more.

And dont forget that low realmrank bowrangers are gimp in melee. 35 stealth 40 to 48 path and 45 to 50 bow, there arent much points left for melee. And what do you get? 200 to 300 every 3.6 seconds with the slowest bow available (on Casters and Assasins sometimes a little bit more). Additionally Zipipity proved back in the day that there is 8% 2hand and 12% critshot damage missing on Uthgard compared to live.

I understand the point of view of the developers that there can't be changes without proof. But you really have to play a Ranger/Scout/Hunter for once, dear devs. A full bowspec ranger is absolutely useless. 200-300dmg per Hit every 3.x seconds is a bad joke. Especially when you - and you do - suck in melee.

Without Volley, like 80% of all bowspec rangers respecced to hybrid or melee as it does not make any sense at all playing a bowspec ranger anymore.

friarpower wrote:I understand the point of view of the developers that there can't be changes without proof. But you really have to play a Ranger/Scout/Hunter for once, dear devs. A full bowspec ranger is absolutely useless. 200-300dmg per Hit every 3.x seconds is a bad joke. Especially when you - and you do - suck in melee.

Without Volley, like 80% of all bowspec rangers respecced to hybrid or melee as it does not make any sense at all playing a bowspec ranger anymore.

That is pretoa dmg, + - .. volley was Op, if they respeced v well, maybe now they will kill some with skill and not by OPindness .

ok i think all archer would agree that volley was realy strong yes but its was easy to interrupt with ur procs on armor or anything
but now u took away the only ability how we could kill enemys effective
it would be no problem if we get at the same time a critshot fix or anything like that
its just so bad u always see how bugs get fixes by other classes but by archer its very rare that we get bit stronger
for example critshot works realy often not and it misses very oft by me last days dunno of there made something with cs
but i am happy when i can use it and then its miss or didnt work

We all miss , archers are not the only ones who miss, and voley was not really strong..duno how many of u played live.. volley was so F ing strong that you could kill almost any tank class in 6 seconds shoting for normal dmg at 1s drawtime and changing GT leaving the tank blind because you had no selected atacker after 3-4 arrows .

Those of you who dont know what are they talking about should stop qq ing. Over and out.

then u should learn to read i agreed that volley was strong here on uthgard
so do that what u said

Those of you who dont know what are they talking about should stop qq ing. Over and out.

Glacius has obviously never played a hunter live or here. i think the real question is of all the bugs on uth (and there are many) is this bug being fixed when it worked as compensation for the many other bugs in this class. why does staff keep talking about custom...this whole server is custom. unless you can determine the endo formula from screen shots? taj... i don't remember that on live where are the patch notes for that? lets accept this is custom and make changes that do well for balance on uth. mythic didn't get it right the first time and that's why they made all the changes they did. you have now inherited the same problems. lastly as stated by staff, it's impossible to make live like, the data is NOT there. if it where this convo wouldn't occur.

my 2 copper pieces.

blackitalian wrote:Glacius has obviously never played a hunter live or here. i think the real question is of all the bugs on uth (and there are many) is this bug being fixed when it worked as compensation for the many other bugs in this class. why does staff keep talking about custom...this whole server is custom. unless you can determine the endo formula from screen shots? taj... i don't remember that on live where are the patch notes for that? lets accept this is custom and make changes that do well for balance on uth. mythic didn't get it right the first time and that's why they made all the changes they did. you have now inherited the same problems. lastly as stated by staff, it's impossible to make live like, the data is NOT there. if it where this convo wouldn't occur.

my 2 copper pieces.

You dont have to play a hunter on live to know how volley used to work, from the target perspective you can see very well also. And i had archer friends ingame .

silenced wrote:You should really consider to delete all stealth classes, except minstrel which only needs stealth removed. They cause so much work and trouble, remove and problems solved!

lol xD


@blackitalian: read through all this topic and you know about the tajendi thing (several times said: server/class balance got nothing to do with PvE Zones) [imo taj is custom , but that doenst legitimate to custom balance classes, as long as its not 100% needed due to lack of data.]

and maybe its not possible to become 100% livelike , but they try to ...
and just because its not 100% possible you cant say : lets go custom...
well you can, and get ignored ;P

i agree in that (bow)archers need fixes/love
but volley was totally OPed !!! some ranger(s) made 4l2-6l1 in like 3weeks?
actually this enough to call it OP.

even me (shar melee ranger) respecced to hybrid/bow to check volley, another sign for its OPness (it worked)

suddenly all rangers were bow or hybrid spec and hunters/ranger/scouts popped out of nothing in huge numbers

and if you didnt see the need that this had to be removed/nerfed as soon as possible,.. well ,.. yeah,... maybe fix your intention about balance

but agree with
its sad that you almost never got the possibilty to use critt shot.
its sad (bow)archers almost cant kill anything anymore now, again.

personally, i liked that time where you could use critt shot on ppl that were not afk/semi afk

*happy to not die instantly anymore, when going through a milegate*

@ glacius, you do have to play a class to understand it. HUNTERS, have many weaknesses. lvl one and see. playing any class is the only way to truly know a class in and out. i hate melee rangers. but i'm sure they feel they have their own weaknesses.

@ feelit, any item gained in pvp and used in rvr is game balance affecting. i hear people complain taj not done enough in alb but always done in mid. stuff like that will upset many players (personally, i'm sure i can do a decent template without the cloak if need be).

however, if you don't have data, make a custom that keeps all parties happy. not asking for machine guns, but lets accept it can't be live like.

@staff, lastly i was wondering could we do arrows with procs since bows don't work? or would proc rate be way off?

MR black italian dude.. i know the classes in this game very well, i dont play stealthers because i dont like them , i can tell you that DD for wizz is 219 delve , for wind theurg is 209 , and so many others things that i remember very well from this game by heart.... maybe u died slamed and volleyd by an scout archer on live.. i havent ..1 st because i was an alb for 5 years ! )) and secondly i played pvp like 2 years..and no scout or any archer used that ability in the manner you ppl did here on uthg.

..so cut the QQ and learn how to play an archer..there r archer players there who still kill ppl.. and they dont need op ed volley to do it.

my QQ is at the class struggle, not your opinion of archers. and i shall voice my my opinion as much as you do. i don't ask you to shut up (cut the QQ), so come off the high horse please. we won't agree, i accept it, and honestly i doubt you care about the over all class status.