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RvR Zone preferance - status quo

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What would you prefer?

Full OF (like now): 135; 53%

Full livelike NF (no port to agra, port to keeps, boats, etc): 120; 47%

: Total votes : 255

Neju Eagle Knight Posts: 893 Joined: Sep 11, 2009 00:00	Reply with quote by Neju » Feb 26, 2010 12:59 indeed - the magic question bp/rp incentive for solo would increase smallscale in OG - but may attract fg to farm the smallmans... it's a complicated thing

Toblerone Banned Posts: 1071 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 01:00 Location: Croatia	Reply with quote by Toblerone » Feb 26, 2010 13:02 nixian wrote: Neju wrote:Player mentality is what is making OF less enjoyable at the moment... the current mentality would be the same no matter the zone. Solo/duo/small man - go to OG 8v8 - go to Hadrians fg+/zerg/ADDERS - go to Emain would work fine if suddenly everyone followed that question is how to get people to do that Same way eden did.

Neju Eagle Knight Posts: 893 Joined: Sep 11, 2009 00:00	Reply with quote by Neju » Feb 26, 2010 13:11 Toblerone wrote:Same way eden did. which is?

nixian Forum Moderator Posts: 5450 Joined: May 19, 2006 00:00	Reply with quote by nixian » Feb 26, 2010 13:13 Neju wrote: Toblerone wrote:Same way eden did. which is? id like to know too however have to consider that eden was/is a insta 50 server and therefore has a lot more rvr active players by default

Runis Eagle Knight Posts: 791 Joined: Feb 17, 2007 01:00 YIM	Reply with quote by Runis » Feb 26, 2010 13:27 Neju wrote:Player mentality is what is making OF less enjoyable at the moment... Waiting 7 minutes for port, and then running to milegate another 5-6 minutes, its not just a mentality, can you understand? It's just boring and for some of us that time can be used in other way. But of course, we cannot ask for insta port, because of the map layout imbalance. We need to get at the same time at one milegate (altough we dont), according to the staff.

Sioras Myrmidon Posts: 174 Joined: Jan 20, 2010 01:00 Location: Germany	Reply with quote by Sioras » Feb 26, 2010 13:37 Is it really OF at the moment? So I think poll needs the 3rd option. 1st: like now 2nd: NF with all aspects 3rd: OF, but then completely pls and no custom balance like OF with NF RAs and so on Greets Sio

nixian Forum Moderator Posts: 5450 Joined: May 19, 2006 00:00	Reply with quote by nixian » Feb 26, 2010 13:45 Sioras wrote:Is it really OF at the moment? So I think poll needs the 3rd option. 1st: like now 2nd: NF with all aspects 3rd: OF, but then completely pls and no custom balance like OF with NF RAs and so on Greets Sio OF and old RAs isn't the same please remember that OF = maps, keeps, milegates, pad port system NF = maps, keeps, agra, port system, boats this has nothing to do with RAs - but with maps, keeps, etc.

Toblerone Banned Posts: 1071 Joined: Jan 27, 2010 01:00 Location: Croatia	Reply with quote by Toblerone » Feb 26, 2010 13:49 nixian wrote: Neju wrote: Toblerone wrote:Same way eden did. which is? id like to know too Make it obligatory.

Sioras Myrmidon Posts: 174 Joined: Jan 20, 2010 01:00 Location: Germany	Reply with quote by Sioras » Feb 26, 2010 13:52 OF and old RAs isn't the same please remember that OF = maps, keeps, milegates, pad port system NF = maps, keeps, agra, port system, boats this has nothing to do with RAs - but with maps, keeps, etc. I know that you can have OF with NF RAs, but isn't OF...sry. Because OF were without many subjects we have on Uthgard. I think OF isn't only a question of maps and transport systems. I only mentioned that a clear clue have to be discussed! Otherwise, the flaming within here will continue. Greets Sio PS: You can call ToA without artifacts because you have ToA maps. I guess it will never be ToA.

nixian Forum Moderator Posts: 5450 Joined: May 19, 2006 00:00	Reply with quote by nixian » Feb 26, 2010 13:58 Sioras wrote: OF and old RAs isn't the same please remember that OF = maps, keeps, milegates, pad port system NF = maps, keeps, agra, port system, boats this has nothing to do with RAs - but with maps, keeps, etc. I know that you can have OF with NF RAs, but isn't OF...sry. Because OF were without many subjects we have on Uthgard. I think OF isn't only a question of maps and transport systems. I only mentioned that a clear clue have to be discussed! Otherwise, the flaming within here will continue. Greets Sio PS: You can call ToA without artifacts because you have ToA maps. I guess it will never be ToA. difference is that the maps and the RA setup wasn't connected.. RAs and maps was changed next to each other - not together..

Blue Developer Posts: 15827 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	Reply with quote by Blue » Feb 26, 2010 14:06 Theres missing an option: "OF improved". OF still has lots of bugs and problems which are just not worked through. Rizla about NF wrote:Just to remind people of what this setup was like, it was in offtimes empty, on primetime up to 4fgs could be met at the bridge bottlenecks to agra, smallman/solo activity was near to non-existent. On the other hand, by taking the forth most keep one (overpopulated [in rvr area]) realm would exclude another realm from porting. And as OF has proven so far, longer traveltime = less members of that realm participating in rvr. It spawned alot of "fixes": - boats removed to tunnel players through agramon - killmsg system adjustment (add us plz!) - and last but not least, the reinstatement of the instant port to agra So tell me why should i choose between two flawed concepts. Please give the option of voting "neither". Signed. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

koruun Gryphon Knight Posts: 298 Joined: Aug 24, 2009 00:00 Location: Cologne, Germany	Reply with quote by koruun » Feb 26, 2010 14:30 nixian wrote: Sioras wrote:Is it really OF at the moment? So I think poll needs the 3rd option. 1st: like now 2nd: NF with all aspects 3rd: OF, but then completely pls and no custom balance like OF with NF RAs and so on Greets Sio OF and old RAs isn't the same please remember that OF = maps, keeps, milegates, pad port system NF = maps, keeps, agra, port system, boats this has nothing to do with RAs - but with maps, keeps, etc. Imo it's the same. OF and old RAs were always linked together, as well as new RAs came with NF. OF means old RAs as much as NF means new RAs, at least if you watch at it as a live-server player. Uth showed that some mix-up is possible, sadly. On the topic: even if you gather all unsatisfied players altogether, I doubt they'll outnumber the players that started here for OF. The peak playernumbers didn't raise coincidental, the raise began with the announcement of OF and ultimately with the introduction of OF. Why ToA-RAs advance high RR groups more than old RAs do: http://www.abload.de/img/whyoldrasaremorefairjozk.png

Sioras Myrmidon Posts: 174 Joined: Jan 20, 2010 01:00 Location: Germany	Reply with quote by Sioras » Feb 26, 2010 14:30 nixian wrote: difference is that the maps and the RA setup wasn't connected.. RAs and maps was changed next to each other - not together.. I know this issue (different patches etc.), i only want to mention that it important to have a clear overall clue for RvR or even Uthgard. I think it is more important than choosing frontier maps. Hence, a clear guideline for RvR is needed, e.g., figure out a good balance. Or if you wish, you can say what are the future goals of Uthgard and its content. Does Uthgard future tend to be NF with SI? Does Uthgard want to be somehow custom classic? In this manner, i have all these discussions like caster resists, charge for tanks etc. in mind. Hope you get no the message I want to bring in. Greets Last edited by Sioras on Feb 26, 2010 14:42, edited 2 times in total.

nixian Forum Moderator Posts: 5450 Joined: May 19, 2006 00:00	Reply with quote by nixian » Feb 26, 2010 14:33 Sioras wrote: nixian wrote: difference is that the maps and the RA setup wasn't connected.. RAs and maps was changed next to each other - not together.. I know this issue, i only want to mention that is more important to have a clear overall clue than to choose the frontier maps. Hence, a clear guideline for RvR is needed. Or if you wish, you can say where the Uthgard stuff will/want/should to go to. In this manner, i have all these discussions like caster resists, charge for tanks etc. in mind. Greets Could you please rewrite this? it didn't make sense to me (might be that English is not my native language, but I am not sure what you are trying to say)

Bloodwyne Phoenix Knight Posts: 1102 Joined: May 17, 2008 00:00	Reply with quote by Bloodwyne » Feb 26, 2010 14:46 i know i should give reasons for my opinion and stuff but i will just make clear that: NEW FRONTIERS SUCK