Heya, i gotta question...

According to daoc.catacombs.com/cbuilder.cfm
I could spec:
Path: 40
Blades: 39
CD: 38
Stealth: 34
Skillpoints left: 47

My Ranger:
Path: 40
Blades: 39
CD: 38
Stealth: 34
Skillpoints left: 38

/confuse

Which one is right?
Is it just my Ranger?

Think I know what happened:
Autotrained bow completly to 48 (12)
respecced bow, (bowskill from 35 back to 12)
didnt get all my "natural" skillpoints back (9 of the skillpoints a ranger should have, are used to keep bow on 12)

so my ranger only got 2970 instead of 2979 spec points.
so actually it got nothing to do with autotrain, but autotrain+respec stole some points

same with my reaver, all way up to 48 on Slash, /respeced all , fail , all autotrain points gone
(but that was like 2 or 3years ago, so nevermind)
thought it got fixed meanwhile

sounds to me you lost like 9 auto training pts in bow at some point and when you get to 50 and respec bow, it requires 12 min bow and eating up those 9 spec points, even if you dont plan on specing in bow. Im not sure if that is a bug or not. On live when you dont allow yourself to auto train, should the min bow spec be lower then 12 ? Maybe that is the bug here, that it is requiring a min of 12 bow, even if you skill auto training by specing into bow at some point before 48

the only way i can imagine this happened without a bug is :

i autotrained to 32 (8bow)
then specced bow
dinged level 36 (not gaining 9 bow)
then respecced bow before reaching level 40
and went on with autotraining ,..


no , thats not my way of xping a shar melee ranger ^^
the other way round , im sure i've had these 2979 points when i respecced to blade

i didn't have the money/bps or any reason (since volley wasn't implemented by then) to spec bow

if your suggestion is true , isnt it a bit dumb?
to gain a huge disadvantage due to autotraining?
some player that autotrained till level 8 , then stopped autotraining
and repsecs Bow at any further time lacks 75 skillpoints so just got 2904 spec points?
this is totally dumb!

well, if i really respeced and didnt get my 9th autotrainlevel,...
wouldnt it be more logical to just add 11bow after respecing and clear those 3points this charackter would have too much then?

instead of forcing the player to a spec he didnt want

Any players here that got live server autotraining experiences?

best would be one that:
- did autotrain and respeced
- semi autotrain and respeced

bah, just disable autotrain, when it harms your charakter
lacking 1 damn skillpoint to go 39CD grrrrrrrrr.
1!!!!

Its an old, known (and yet unfixed) bug. If you respec your autotrain skill, you will not just lose your autotrain poins, you will also lose some "extra" points (regardless if you did atuotrain that skill or not). This infact has led my tests down to missing 32 skill points once, and 51 second time.
This issue has been reported before, yet nothing has been done. I feel no need to report something that isnt needed to be fixed.

Rose wrote:Its an old, known (and yet unfixed) bug. If you respec your autotrain skill, you will not just lose your autotrain poins, you will also lose some "extra" points (regardless if you did atuotrain that skill or not). This infact has led my tests down to missing 32 skill points once, and 51 second time.
This issue has been reported before, yet nothing has been done. I feel no need to report something that isnt needed to be fixed.

never heard of this bug and ive respecced a few times on my NS

when does this bug appear?

everytime you respec? or?

did you respec while leveling to 50? or AT all the way? or?

It's not really a bug - it's a force spec to 12 and if you didn't do at or not completely you will "loose" this points to get your at-line to 12.

nixian wrote:

Rose wrote:Its an old, known (and yet unfixed) bug. If you respec your autotrain skill, you will not just lose your autotrain poins, you will also lose some "extra" points (regardless if you did atuotrain that skill or not). This infact has led my tests down to missing 32 skill points once, and 51 second time.
This issue has been reported before, yet nothing has been done. I feel no need to report something that isnt needed to be fixed.

never heard of this bug and ive respecced a few times on my NS

when does this bug appear?

everytime you respec? or?

did you respec while leveling to 50? or AT all the way? or?

50 ranger:
50 Bow
48 Path
31 Stealth
(3) skill points left

See anything missing? Check any calculator you like.

Many different ranger builds have been tested on same toon, using different respec stones over long period of time. Initial AT was until lvl 20 if I can even recall it (old toon). I've tested about 10 different builds of melee/shooter/hybrid ranger. Guess how much ingame time and money invested into these tests? And I'm not done yet, going to try few more builds I've thought about.

I reported this issue ingame before, and seen it reported by others on forums. Yet I dont feel this as important as other unfixed bugs, thus not touching this subject (not yet anyway) as not to keep developers too busy from fixing what hasnt been fixed for years.

PS. By the way, missing skill points sometimes come back with another respec. Sometimes I get more points, sometimes less, but never anything extra. We always had bugs with respec system on uthgard. Old players can remember a gang of mids that got banned for abusing respec bugs to get 3k AUG STR /rofl