VWs take more damage than paladin, or armsman because their armorfactor is no where near that of plate, or plate + self AF buff in the case of the paladin. They end up about equivalent to chain/scale in my opinion.

VW has the lowest HPs of any melee(if i remember correctly, they are on same hp-table as casters), the differences are: parryspec, evade4, 34%abs buff, 250af-buff. Add to 500 cloth-af the 250af buff and you reach about same af as a chain/scale char has, but you wont have your abs, which needs to be specced(lvl 33 arboreal is the last one if i remember correctly).

VWs have low HPs, but their defense comes close to that of a friar and their armorbuffs make their cloth about as good as chain/plate armor. They are not exactly a tank-class, but rupt and DD they are 100%!

vangonaj wrote:

Toblerone wrote:

Glacius wrote:Yup valew is a nice class, i agree with Satz, duno why hibs dont take VW in their grps, especially that it has BAOD good VS casters, and a nice rr5 that add 500 points as a MHB, he s resistant almost as a paladin having 34% abs and not beeing weak to any type of dmg ,even tho he has cloth with shield he makes around 550+ AF.
Stun from back good when chasing, disease proc on weap and it enters alot wehn beeing with asist train, Good dmg,close to hero and better then champion, no stoicism but with a det5 he can be played just nice, good rupter even if he s rooted and the style wich snares targets in a cone is formidable, not sure it has it here but it can stop an asist train as long his target its facing him. If i d go hib Vw i d pick.

Oh dear god lol. You really really have no clue.

I suggest you stick to writing about classes you maybe played.

XD flaming again? Say something constructive, or say why you are desagree.

It's not flaming, I just pointed out how he's spreading false information and lots of it.

Satz covered some things, but glacius is pretty much wrong on all points in his post.

For one, nobody takes bedazzling aura, especially not on a 95% tank server like uthgard.

Secondly, it's nowhere near as resistant as a paladin. A paladin can use large shields, has 34% absorb and 740 (863 with yellow chant) armor factor whereas a vw has significantly less. Similar amounts of absorb but the AF difference is colossal.

Thirdly, their damage is very situational. The only decent damage styles are either 3rd in chain (and pbaoe which risks breaking CC), or a level 50 one followup after a style with no to hit bonus. Good luck trying to hit anything that's not a caster.

Fourth, it's not a super rupter like people think it is. One instant dot with 30s cooldown and a castable nuke. The valewalker trying to nuke can easily get interrupted themselves, which isn't much of a tremendously difficult task to accomplish either. Valewalkers are also affected by nearsight like any other caster.

The frontal style is pbaoe root, not cone snare, and no uthgard doesn't have it.

QFT, plus even the absorb is lower as the abs formula depends of AF, so like Force above said it's about the same as scale.

Balkanian brain trust at its best.

LOL

Toblerone bloblerone if hibs dont take Vw in their grp is their problem, and if ppl dont use BAOD in this server again its their problem, i said it is able to get it.

WV is more resistant then any chain player in this game , he has abs 34% not afected by anything, its pure 34% , and even if he has cloth and self AF he is after paladin/arms the thoughes melee character , with 450-500 AF and 34% neutral to all 3 mele dmg types.

No , he is not on caster hp Satz he gets to have con as last increasing stat and he makes same hps as a reaver or so.
Snare,dot DDs to rupt and a good disease offensive proc make him a v good class that perma disease your target , not to forget the self haste.
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I had valew and played it, and when i say that he hits like a hero he does, he has higher weapon skill then hybrids beeing close to hero.

Satz,Toblerone,Amadeth ..cause of those like you bugs dont get solved on this server, you gotta fuk up everything.. especially Satz who still knows that prevent flight its PBAOE ..he d wish!:P

WV is more resistant then any chain player in this game , he has abs 34% not afected by anything, its pure 34% , and even if he has cloth and self AF he is after paladin/arms the thoughes melee character , with 450-500 AF and 34% neutral to all 3 mele dmg types.

No.

Glacius wrote:WV is more resistant then any chain player in this game , he has abs 34% not afected by anything, its pure 34% , and even if he has cloth and self AF he is after paladin/arms the thoughes melee character , with 450-500 AF and 34% neutral to all 3 mele dmg types.

hey ho, this is very wrong.

If its wrong, can u state what VW actually has?

Go hit it for 60 dmg 1h mighty mincers and then we ll talk .

Hobbes wrote:If its wrong, can u state what VW actually has?

many players have already stated what VW has, I won't go into that or argue VW's utility, damage or place in a group.

34% absorb is not simply 34% absorb. it highly depends on AF, which VW is seriously lacking. absorb is not resistance, and is calculated differently.

Hobbes wrote:If its wrong, can u state what VW actually has?

It's been stated several times: the absorb formula is not exactly known (at least not by me) but absorb is limited by AF, so VWs have on average the absorb of scale armor, maybe a little more or a little less.

Glacius wrote:Toblerone bloblerone if hibs dont take Vw in their grp is their problem, and if ppl dont use BAOD in this server again its their problem, i said it is able to get it.

It's not a problem. -Having- a vw in the group is a problem.

But I'm sure you in your infinite wisdom and doublefrost spamming prowess would prove everyone wrong and would turn a new light in the dark tide that is no more than average vw preformance in groups. Your superior skill would be so awesome and the energy fluctuating from the awesomeness would collapse this and 12 nearby galaxies and the supermassive black holes colliding would create a new big bang and end all life as we know it.

Please don't play a valewalker, think of the children. ;(

VWs are a great class, saying they have the defense of a paladin is clearly incorrect, but they take about the same damage as Heros from my savage. Their damage is great, they interrupt better than the other hib tanks, root is less effective against them. They are head and shoulders above champ on this server, I'd say they are on par with Heros. The Hero has slam and guard and a ton more HPs but the VW makes up for it in other ways.


One thing that does suck about the VW, is if you ever die and someone PRs you, you have at least a 50% chance of being 1 shot upon rez since youre buffs are down and you have little HPs. Even if you get healed, without your buffs you wont live more than a few seconds.