Jojoner wrote:I think one basic Problem with Ranger is, the high Bow-max dmg, even with low archery skill.....
For example my melee-scout has 15-14 longbow and does between 100 and 270dmg, with critshot (2x here) it is between 200-500+++ (unbuffed)
So a ranger on celtic dual/selfbuffs (with d/q selfbuff) hits me between 250-550++++ (high rr even more) and that with low bowspecc.
I dont know how it should be, but i guess Bowmaxdmg shouldnt be so high with such a low specc and those cs=x2base dmg instead of critchance, makes it even worse ^^
Alternative give buffline to Scout ^^ if anyone wants to specc it, he can
and it definitly is damn hard vs a good ranger..... with any other albstealther.... cap scd with scout, i got 4 hittet by one Ranger...
greetz thx, hf

The reason you can do 100 to 270 dmg, is because your using a slow bow with high varience in dmg. And its not the bow that is making a melee ranger strong, its his 80 AF shield, Thoughness and PD5 combined that makes a high rr hard to kill, but that is what you get with a higher rank. Ive got 35+14 bow and i do like 200 - 320 using crush arrows vs an infi and if i spec higher in bow, i dont exept my bow dmg to increase that much, maybe to 240 - 360 or so. So nerfing bow... even more wouldnt effect melee rangers much and only make it even less desirable to be an archer spec .

Eclipsed wrote:The reason you can do 100 to 270 dmg, is because your using a slow bow with high varience in dmg. And its not the bow that is making a melee ranger strong, its his 80 AF shield, Thoughness and PD5 combined that makes a high rr hard to kill, but that is what you get with a higher rank. Ive got 35+14 bow and i do like 200 - 320 using crush arrows vs an infi and if i spec higher in bow, i dont exept my bow dmg to increase that much, maybe to 240 - 360 or so. So nerfing bow... even more wouldnt effect melee rangers much and only make it even less desirable to be an archer spec .

There are plenty of RR4-5 melee Rangers who are almost impossible to kill in any fair situation. I've been encountering lots of Celt/Shar FOTM Add/Luzifa clones (and there are even more of them leveling in DF) who are RR4x or 5x and still have enough RPs for PDx/IP2/Purge/MoS 3. I really have no idea how they mitigate so much of my damage and still have enough points left over for actives and MoS, but it is what it is.

It's a broken class build on Uthgard. You have an "Archer" class that functions like an Assassin with IP/PD, reinforced armor, immunity to MoS/Detect Hidden (camouflage), the best bows in the game with 2100 range, self-buffs, an RR5 ability that does 200-300+ damage and stuns, and a speed shout. In exchange they lose CS, vanish, 4 levels of evade, and poison (but poison damage is compensated by the damage add). Not as good at killing casters as Assassins, but better at killing everything else.

Now let's compare the advantages the other archer classes have:

Scouts - Shield Slam - One trick wonder. Instantly defeated with purge.

Hunters - Pet - Good interrupt tool when it isn't stunned/mezzed/rooted. Possibly lowers enemy defense rates, but not enough to make a difference for the Hunter in melee. Contributes no significant damage. Can charm more useful pets in certain areas but this requires the best charm spell at 35 BC.

The imbalance is obvious.

Seyha wrote:It's a broken class build on Uthgard. You have an "Archer" class that functions like an Assassin with IP/PD, reinforced armor, immunity to MoS/Detect Hidden (camouflage), the best bows in the game with 2100 range, self-buffs, an RR5 ability that does 200-300+ damage and stuns, and a speed shout. In exchange they lose CS, vanish, 4 levels of evade, and poison (but poison damage is compensated by the damage add). Not as good at killing casters as Assassins, but better at killing everything else.

Your basicly saying, if a archer can kill someone, they are an assasin and that they shouldnt be able to kill something. And of course that is bull. An archer my get camo to sneak up on an assasin, but when its down, they are above normal being detected level. And yes we dont have 4 lvls of evade, which equal 20% evade chance. We do get a nice RR5, but at the cost of not being able to attack for 15sec after and resists effect its dmg, so i really dont think its going to hit 300 dmg or even close. Yes they get a speed shout, like the hunter does, but combat breaks it. Try a charged dd. While a assasin can vanish, can str/con debuff for 118. And self buffs for the ranger isnt a agrement because its required, not an extra bonus. Like poisons for an assasin isnt a bonus, its part of its classes balance or the scouts shield spec, and so on. If you cant kill an archer, try making one and learning the class better and learn a new strat, or stay out of are way, THANK YOU !

Eclipsed wrote:Your basicly saying, if a archer can kill someone, they are an assasin and that they shouldnt be able to kill something. And of course that is bull. An archer my get camo to sneak up on an assasin, but when its down, they are above normal being detected level. And yes we dont have 4 lvls of evade, which equal 20% evade chance. We do get a nice RR5, but at the cost of not being able to attack for 15sec after and resists effect its dmg, so i really dont think its going to hit 300 dmg or even close. Yes they get a speed shout, like the hunter does, but combat breaks it. Try a charged dd. While a assasin can vanish, can str/con debuff for 118. And self buffs for the ranger isnt a agrement because its required, not an extra bonus. Like poisons for an assasin isnt a bonus, its part of its classes balance or the scouts shield spec, and so on. If you cant kill an archer, try making one and learning the class better and learn a new strat, or stay out of are way, THANK YOU !

This looks like a drunk post.

I am an Archer, Eclipsed. Maybe if you actually played that Ranger of yours you'd know that. I think I know the capabilities of the different archer classes.

Seyha wrote:This looks like a drunk post.

I am an Archer, Eclipsed. Maybe if you actually played that Ranger of yours you'd know that. I think I know the capabilities of the different archer classes.

Pwnd.

Braxis wrote:

Seyha wrote:This looks like a drunk post.

I am an Archer, Eclipsed. Maybe if you actually played that Ranger of yours you'd know that. I think I know the capabilities of the different archer classes.

Pwnd.

so true..eclipsed still think that ranger ''need'' his self buffs, because ranger is SOO weak without

lol i have a ranger myself..i stopped playing it, because its boring. you own pretty everything you want and have no challenge if you know how to play that class right. even with epic on (never made an template for mine).
you outdamage your own realms fulltanks, the fian (because of your selfbuffs)..
you outdamage your own realms lighttank, the BM (because of your selfbuffs)..
you also outdamage your own realms hybrids, the VW (because of your selfbuffs)..
you get lowest damage of all classes in your realm (for only 10 RP, thats only RR2L0)

Musikus wrote:

Braxis wrote:

Seyha wrote:This looks like a drunk post.

I am an Archer, Eclipsed. Maybe if you actually played that Ranger of yours you'd know that. I think I know the capabilities of the different archer classes.

Pwnd.

so true..eclipsed still think that ranger ''need'' his self buffs, because ranger is SOO weak without

lol i have a ranger myself..i stopped playing it, because its boring. you own pretty everything you want and have no challenge if you know how to play that class right. even with epic on (never made an template for mine).
you outdamage your own realms fulltanks, the fian (because of your selfbuffs)..
you outdamage your own realms lighttank, the BM (because of your selfbuffs)..
you also outdamage your own realms hybrids, the VW (because of your selfbuffs)..
you get lowest damage of all classes in your realm (for only 10 RP, thats only RR2L0)

A ranger will never outdmg a BM wich hits with 50% harder then a ranger.. and WV as dmg table is v close to pure tanks dmg table like hero,Bm ,merc etc..
He is indeed tough for having PD and CD with more DPS then all other archers..but he s kilable.. i was fighting Ronia at rr4L2 with my berseker and there were moments when he had to do IP2 or his rr5 to kill me.

To Seyha

Sorry but i dont drink, and its insulting to say that i do. And dont blame me, for your hate of rangers, because you play a hunter or is it a scout, i dont know and i kinda just dont care. Ill kill you and move on.

Each archer has something unique about them, while yes the ranger has the more noticable tools/buffs and so on, the hunter and scout do have things unique about them, but if the player doesnt know how to play it right, those benifits will not pay off. Like the hunter has his pet, which can be used to intrup an enemy, or start a fight off to get an enemy to stand still to critshot them. It also adds some dmg, but of what i hear the pet dmg isnt so great, and the pet doesnt have its ablities, that is your responsibly to get it reported and bump it till it can be fixed. The scout my not get a buffline, but he does get a shield, which provides extra defenses, 9 sec stun , ablitiy to guard someone and so on. Now yes someone can purge there stun, but there is away to get around that, and if you dont know that trick, that is your fault. Also using shield styles gives you crush dmg , which gives the scout 2 dmg types to work with, at the cost of high end cost.

To Everyone else

If you believe these rangers got it so easy at lvl 50, or your lvl 50 has it so easy vs any targets in all situations, go ahead and show proof, videos and so on. And hopefuly you can provide proof of more then one situation, since as many know, sometimes one fight can be very easy, another can be a challenge and another you can just have crap luck. So one video or log of that one good time isnt going to prove much.

I have no trouble killing my enemys , some can be challenging and i do die, but its part of the game. I face many assasins and other enemy archers and sometimes they can be easy, and that person may think, Over Powered PD5 ranger, which wouldnt be true because i only have PD1, Toughness 3 and not even IP yet. I do have a nice template, strats, and in some situations i may have con, str/con, 150 hp ablative, haste. But anyone can get 4 buffs, in a minute, with two pots and two charges. But it all depends on when you should use them or not.

@Motaro

right, so if a ridiculously powerful MELEE class can kill a ranger in MELEE, it can't be overpowered?

LOL?

I don't understand why you guys even bother talking about rangers with eclipsed

They suck in his mind, he is the greatest ranger and has the best skills with ranger that is why he is so mighty!

Everyone with a brain that isn't too subjective can see that they are strong in this setting and that they are by far the most powerful of the archer classes.

Don't come replying here Ecplised about Scout slam and hunter pet, you have no idea... If you think that scout/hunters are so good why not level one? Hunter is really strong with their amazing pet!

start a fight off to get an enemy to stand still to critshot them.

Huh??? Ronia is kinda weak in melee, since he/she was specced hybrid. Ronia always had to dump purge, ip rr5 and speedshout against me only to survive in case i found her, its not like ronia was a completely overpowered player or anything like that, but any ranger is much tougher that a scout or hunter is. Ive fought many of em in agramon and rangers were the ones who dealt most damage of those 3, if you managed to avoid a scouts slam.

Rangers are strong with the current setup, but they arent as strong now as they are on live with toa, cata, lotm, having more than doubled HPs and stun in blades-line.

BTW:
Hunter range: 2000
Ranger range: 2100
Scout range: 2200

Imao Rangers need some love. I´m thinking about 2 insta heals (value 100%) and maybe an insta PBAOE DD (value 300 recast 10s).

Is it too late for me to put in my vote for dumbest topic of the week that wasnt locked but normally would be?

Original post wreaks of a player who does not yet have enough experience to understand some basic game mechanics. No offence meant, just an observation.

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