Zarkor wrote:

Braxis wrote:Passives are not linear in OF either.
You're missing the bigger picture.
Just the benefit is linear, wile the cost is scaled all the same.
Yes it does reward high RR players, because they will just buy more lvl2-3 passive abilities because higher ones are not worth it to a certain point.
You will actually just increase their versatility.

And that's not balanced either. Why should I spend 14 points on a 5% increase in something?

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Different environment wont change anything.
You wont have a much better chance against high RR ppl in it.

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You're forgetting that our mentality wont change because our RAs suddenly are on a 30min timer.
We won't suddenly think its 2001 only because our RA system got degraded to the way it was 9 years ago.
Elitist set fgs who don't inv ppl who are the wrong class/spec will wait.
Our mentality is in year 2010 and it will stay that way no matter the system we play in.

Old passives wont be as powerful at higher realmranks compared to NF RAs. This is the truth. There are only a handful RAs really worth speccing into to high levels anyway. I'm thinking of Mastery of the Art/Arms/Pain, Wild Power, Ethereal bond, Det and a maybe one or 2 others. You have to make choices at higher realm ranks whether you go for versatility or focus on what in your opinion the strongest RAs are.
Yes the cost/benefit is lower, but that doesn't make that passive any less useful having boosted. It will just make preferances come in to play more.

The reason you say it's not balanced is because you look at it from a New RA perspective. It is indeed less interesting from a high RR player point of view because you can't blatantly spec the RA u think is most powerful and go for it to rank 5 without even thinking of the possibility to spec points elsewhere. It makes powerful passives becomes powerful all the way. Old RAs doesnt do that. Nothing forces you to put your points elsewhere than in what you think is the best RAs, but they WILL be less powerful, making the gap between low RR passive spec sets and high RR passive sets smaller. The use of other RAs will lead to more versatility but less raw power through focussed speccing.

The fact is that Old RAs allow for more power towards CC. A good mezz will be more powerful and more influencing than it currently is with New RAs. if you manage to blanketmezz your opponent, you will just give him mezz resistance at higher RR. Purge 3 + MoC is very easily pulled off every 1 out of 2 fights, making it be up every time you really need it.
With Old RAs however managing to get a good mezz on a high RR grp will give them a lot better chance of winning the fight. This goes both ways of course. A good mezz from a high RR grp will be devastating, but that's hardly any different from how it is now.

In any case: gameplay around CC and not breaking your own CC will be more important than ever. This will also allow for good groups to have a better chance against larger numbers. If you can CC them decently, you will have a better chance of getting the upper hand than you do now where everyone just dumps purge even though they're fighting 8v3, 20v8, 5v2, ... Another reason for this is that with longer timers, you will doubt whether to use purge vs an enemy you're currently outnumbering more than you do now. Currently you barely have to doubt anyway. Just as you do with most RAs. You don't need to think that much, just spam it will do because you'll have it back up anyway.


I personally think these are the most attractive features Old RAs offer. The possibility to combat larger numbers with better odds when you manage to get the jump (stronger CC influence), the need to time your RAs to get the most out of them and the lower impact of high RR on passive RAs.


You can not prove anything about the mentality. The Uthgard mentality is different as it is now, sure, but saying that 'elite' fgs will wait for timers is ridiculous. If they're so 'elite' they'll win mezzes and outplay there enemies without having to wait for timers. The only reason you think they would is because you think of this from a NF perspective where you don't need to play as good regarding CC because you can just recover from your mistakes by dumping a few RAs, which is why you NEED them to be up. With old RAs you'll be forced to rely on NON-RA abilities and teamplay a lot more to prevent bad situations. If you choose to keep playing Old RAs like you would play New RAs then you will indeed get 2 incs every hour, but that's only going to harm yourself more than anyone else.

Braxis wrote:Our mentality is in year 2010 and it will stay that way no matter the system we play in.

Well neither do I, so that's why I don't want to wait 30 min for some ability to refresh like it did 10 years ago.

The currently mentality is formed only partially by the game being that old. It's also the Uthgard setting: New RAs and Thid. Where you can only viably enter Emain RvR with 4L2, SCed chars. If you incite people to go hunt xpers or PvE in OF from lvl 36+ for instance (high OF RvR xp bonusses (x25 for example) and higher PvE bonusses in OF), you will have a completely different mentality from what we have now. More weaker players will be in OF, more of them will try out Emain and finding groups will become a lot easier. Add Old RAs to that and you have a completely different mentality.

Saying that you can't change that is just not true. Just look at how people behaved in WAR compared to DAoC back in the day. Even though a lot of them were still the same players, the relations were a lot worse than they were in DAoC. The system did not require coherence or solid teamplay at all. DAoC did and you felt the impact on the community's behaviour, especially compared to WAR for instance.

I think a mentality change lies more within the game environment structure than it does with the date and players.


People will adapt to Old RAs. It will take a while, but they will, and it will pan out to be different, but viable. It won't be as horrible as y'all say it will. I bet that if we already HAD Old RAs, there would be just as much people predicting New RAs would be as bad as the current change from New to Old simply because you compare it to what you're adapted to (unsonsciously mostly).

Amadeth wrote:It would simply not be viable even for high RR players to augment their primary stats to the max and thus specialize, as they would benefit more by spending those points elsewhere. so, for example, instead of being able to specialize my minstrel as a kiter/support and max RAs like Aug acuity, MoM, and Wild Power, I would be FORCED to make an all around character like every sane player would. Thus I would be spreading points between Aug str, Aug con, Aug qui, Aug acu, MoM, MoP, WP and so on.

Specialization would be a waste of points.

Only if you regard it as one. If you prefer to spec your points into versatility instead of focussing it on a single powerful aspect, that's your choice, but saying it's a waste of points is just not true. Some passives are more useful and powerful than others. Whether you focus on those or not is entirely up to you. They willl still make a significant impact, but they won't allow you to completely transform yourself into a powerhouse when it comes to that specific ability because you will always have the same linear benefits.
The current system in fact makes passive RA specs less challenging and personal because the return/cost ratio stays more the same, making fullspeccing into one ability a lot more viable than it would be with Old RAs, thus making the need to split up your points redundant. There's no point in considering 'weaker' passives at all since the one you think is most powerful will also grant you all the power you want from it without having to think about a better use of the points elsewhere. But again, having to think of a better distribution doesn't mean focussing on one specific ability is worthless. It's still granting benefits, which can be as useful as you personally think they are. Some casters may go MotA5 at higher RR, some may not, that's their own choice really.

Original von YeehaIPwnatz im 4P
wenn man schon 8vs8 spielt dann sollt man auch die gruppe incen und nicht direkt haha lol geistleg das spiel geht kaputt und wow lacht weil hier immer im kreis drehen und conf lacht weil lui ich mien lol was geht ich spritz mir auch nicht kleber wiel lol wie arm deutschland wird eh ghetto wegen sowas! und dann alles auf busCh schieben! ihr regt mich so auf!

Eraa wrote:alles so nach dem motto :

Original von YeehaIPwnatz im 4P
wenn man schon 8vs8 spielt dann sollt man auch die gruppe incen und nicht direkt haha lol geistleg das spiel geht kaputt und wow lacht weil hier immer im kreis drehen und conf lacht weil lui ich mien lol was geht ich spritz mir auch nicht kleber wiel lol wie arm deutschland wird eh ghetto wegen sowas! und dann alles auf busCh schieben! ihr regt mich so auf!

koruun wrote:Wer RAs regt, tut sich keinen Gefallen, weil er auf lange Sicht eine Menge Fights und RPs dadurch verpasst. Aber wer meint seine RAs zu reggen wäre das Beste, soll das gerne tun. Verschafft sich auf lange Sicht ganz sicher keinen Vorteil damit.

Rent wrote:

koruun wrote:Wer RAs regt, tut sich keinen Gefallen, weil er auf lange Sicht eine Menge Fights und RPs dadurch verpasst. Aber wer meint seine RAs zu reggen wäre das Beste, soll das gerne tun. Verschafft sich auf lange Sicht ganz sicher keinen Vorteil damit.

Das glaube ich nicht. Derjenige erspart sich Wipes, da man davon ausgehen kann, dass der Gegner RAs bereit hat.

Andauernde Wipes fördern die Frustration und das Zeitverschwenden.

Rent wrote:Weia... 90% der Spieler rennt nicht mit Blumensträußen in der Hand herum und lässt sich töten...