Gentlemen please, I appreciate you both doing what you're doing, by wanting to help in your own different ways.

Thanks for the frankness of the information.

So far I enjoy my warden solo, yeah, I could kill things faster, and sometimes that just seems tedious, but am feeling the useless crunch when in a group. From what Nixian has pointed it seems my regrowth needs some pumping.

AoG is one of the only things that seems to be brought to a group. Or rather I guess I should say that it's the one acronym that is always used first when I ask about wardens in game. Somewhere along the line it seems foolish to be lugged around like so much dead weight for one ability. . . or as Shav put it one button.

And another thing has hit me while I've been pestering some of the higher level wardens in game is that there are very few around to pester. And suddenly that strikes me as some foreshadowing of a truth. A nasty truth that isn't exactly proven false by what I see here in this thread.

The problem is I don't want this to become another "what class is right for me" post. It's hard enough as it is not having a solid character that I can find a guild with. . . .

Nixian wrote:to me a warden isn't a useless class neither is his abilities

and the whole point about saying you can rupt + heal + etc is that you are not stucked at doing one thing all the time, you can swap around and do different things - some people like this flexibility

Nixian wrote: and tbh you can see he already knows his grp abilities are limited

decide ^^

Teslyn wrote:So far I enjoy my warden solo, yeah, I could kill things faster

That was the reason why i took warden also. Solo leveling was fast and easy. But well things look different in rvr :S

Well one day you may have the same feeling as i do have now: wasted 2kk rps on a totally useless char ^^

so you are looking for ways to improve your current class and not to find out you need to find a new class?

well.. personally I would focus on the solo play, even a solo specced warden can be useful for grps in 50 raids and is often wanted JUST for the aog (which is also a nasty nasty 1v1 ability)

and finding a guild should be possible even if you are a solo guy and only grp up for pve raids / keep sieging

and even if shav feels like he wasted his time on a useless class, maybe you won't if you find out you enjoy the solo rvr (ive spend ages on a 100% solo char and I don't find that a waste as I am not a grp guy)


ps for shav: useless and limited is not the same

Solo warden isnt much better. You will loose 1v1 with any caster with cc and with most stealthers (since not every of them got viper3 yet ~~)

if you want solo warden advices I suggest you talk to harkon online Teslyn - he is a solo warden and seems to be doing very well in Odins gate these days

olo warden
sicne twf is useless here no sense in runnign with a warden. even run 2 bards is more usefull imo sicne u rly can heal and rupt with bard at the same time ;D

in solo rvr warden can be nice vs other visible tanks. vs infi/sb u r just free rps.

in solo rvr u should go for 50 blunt and try to deal dmg in the blutn stun or go for slash and blue-yellwo major heal and heal urself with one heal in short after block stun. but as sahv said, warden isnt that strong.

imo there is only one place for wardens here: thats in duo with a bm. if both got sc charge/pot its a very strong duo with speed/base buffs/slam/heals!

Hrm. Not a lot of positive feedback today.

Disheartening.

Don't want to be god-like; just want to have fun and feel like I bring something to a group that's an edge, as well as being able to keep that edge when soloing.

Time for a new class I guess.

dont listen to a stupid forum mate..
play that class u like .. play it ur style..
play it with fun otherwise its not ur class..

melee warden maybe is really wasted if u dont prefer 1on1 but heal warden is awesome
and warden is also good in pvm

uthgard is a small town server if u got style u get invites if u dont got it ur char sucks ..

easy and simple
u can have a perfect setup but it give u no reason to say wow we rock..

hib group also can rock with druid h/ward vw hero champ bard eld animist =)

hibs problem is more its underdog unbalanced xD
if u want easy mode healer healer x shaman 4x svg wow we rock xD

see like cppt they got good realm ranks but can they win noooooooooo =)

you can use it as pve toon though......
i went from 5 to 45 in a couple days.
its 45 now for.... 5 months?

i loved my warden on live classic and had a good chance to get into a groupbecause of my resis - old ras, the resis where much mor important then - and the pbt worked.

around here i dont see much options for a warden aside from pve either.
its a good class to spearhead an expgroup 40+ or for damage add +aog in raids.

nixian wrote:That really depends what you wanna do in end game rvr too

in grp a warden is usually a few things:

pbt
dmg add
AOG
interrupts
emergency heals
dot/disease cure
resist buffs


so a grp spec could be:

49 nurture
36 weapon
22 regrow
12 parry

a solo spec could be:

47 nurture
36 weapon
12 regrow
26 parry

or

47 nurture
44 weapon
12 regrow
7 parry

or another mixup of weapon/parry

wtf

50 blunt
38 nurt
12 reg
15 parry

best warden spec

Teslyn wrote:Time for a new class I guess.

Bah, that's bullcrap. The only important person that must like your class is you because you will be playing it. Just learn its ways and don't care about some stupid dumbass "z0mfg warden olololol!!1"-statements!

but if he also likes to play other classes its good to telll him in warden is weak here before he lvled to lvl 50. of he can lvl and play a warden. he can also lvl 10 warden if he likes to.
but warden is just weak here. thats a fact and u can truely dotn say anything about it.
so better go for bm vw eld drui or bard
if u wanna go for warden nevertheless just go on, nobody is forcing u to chaneg class. thats the point.

Harting wrote:but if he also likes to play other classes its good to telll him in warden is weak here before he lvled to lvl 50. of he can lvl and play a warden. he can also lvl 10 warden if he likes to.

how can u say warden is weak ????

maybe old frontiers is weak cuz its killed solo rvr

solo warden with 50blunt specc is nice
warden finds easy a duo partner like a bm thats more then nice

warden got best options for a solo duo trio base cuz u got speed base buffs and so on

Agramons dead killed all the solo/duo wardens and there was alot

maybe its hard cuz u dont have the RR but a high rr warden can also be strong

some vids from erdie/mentha vs a low rr warden

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQN0r0Is_aY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RA8FyOltho

Would either of you care to elaborate on this 50 Blunt spec?

The pros and cons please?

pro :

chain with Parry , second style 10 sec. Stun.

All buff on nurture Yellow , pbt 10 sec pulse.


con:

Don't have a really good heal , neither a very strong parry abilities, that you need to improve with RA.