omg hobbes .. that in my opinion was just far too hippyish .. "climate of hate"?!?!? who says anything about hatred?? it's perfectly normal for people to get aggravated when they get zerged, but no one hates DG, one could argue that people enjoy flaming them but it's never malicious.

"climate of hate" lol. you act as if i saw some DG irl, i would twist my face into a grimace fury, and start hurling rocks and abuse. which is not the true - just let people act how they want to act, not everyone HAS to be nice to these guys, we're all individual.

Ehh...
If we don't hate eachother..
Why are we killing eachother ? : |

--From this moment onwards, Uthgard is a Co-op PvE server--

I agree with DG rvr behaviour. I'd just like a guild like that in each realm so they can face proper enemies and maybe leave the solo/small groups^ but still inc enemy fg.

Expecially I don't know why people cry about 1+ fg of same guild killing 8men group and then the same people kill solos or small groups, which is the same exact thing imo :O

a well played 8men with medium or higher RR's should have the better ods on beating 2 fg of level49 and mostly rr4s. further 2 fg with casual players in relatively chaotic groups and all kinds of classes are extremly easy to kite.

oh after reading trough the whole post i want to share my view on some things:

1 vs 1 players:
they play usual a class that is strong in this discipline and of course they dont like it when other players with more group utility but less solo capacity are teaming up against them to stand a chance. but often the solo player doesnt feel bad if he ganks one of those classes that has 0 chance to get away 1 vs 1. --- so 1 vs 1 players complain about beeing ganked by teams.

small groups and PUG:
usualy a bunch of players with classes that are not extremly strong in soloplay or rather run with other players than hanging arround solo. maybe some of them would solo but allways died to other small groups and need friends to compete - fair game. if they run into a fg they stand nearby 0 chance to get away since they lack the tools i full group usualy has

8men: usual 8 hardcore players, runing a perfect setup that fits their playstyle with the goal to fight same sized groups of 8mens. they are perfectly setup to easy kill pugs and small mens. if they get outnumbered they can success cause of usual higher RR's and perfect organisation. but if they fail they usual complain because their enemies do not addapt their playstyle. same as the soloer is complaining about beeing killed by teams.

I am playing this game since release on US server and those things never changed and never will. this game is great and keep in mind if its read its death.

Keiner wrote:I don't know what's the problem in general, if you are proud and feel skilled to roll with a decent high rr, sc capped grp with all timers ready over us - thumbs up

There is no single "high rr" alb or hibgrp and no fixed hibgrp beside us. You're adding PUG as you are most of the time.

Glim wrote:We are here and all of the seeming 8vs8 pro gamers have to life with us. On the GOA servers i played more then 6 years in 8vs8 groups. So i know what you mean but please stop flame and crying.

So you say you know what it means....
For me there is no problem running with 2 "low rr" groups. But adding in every fight just for the purpose to leech RPs ist just silly.
You not only add everything which comes your way, you are watching for kills, rushing there to leech with AE spells and shamans casting dot. Your healers leech RPs by using their hammer instead of healing the guys who get damage in your groups: Rezz gives more Arpees than heal.
The breifine add yesterday was so unbeatable ridiculous: Two well known 8-Man groups fighting each other at Breifine, Emain entrance. Drachengarde reads killmsgs, comes, adds and goes back to AMG
That has nothing to do with fun but with annoying other people and leeching RPs. Its still a matter of respect not only against your enemies but your own realmmates.

DG shouldn't be hailed for they playing style. People who add on everything and leech rps are just causing a bad mood in the rvr community, which is VERY damaging to such a small community like uthgard. I know people who get zerged countless times and didn't come back to Uth, this type of behaviour is damaging the population clearly.

I dont respect it and no one should.

don't hail dg... hail me

awesome photoshop skillz

I ran with DG a few times lately. And while i was with them (8men) we got added by almost every group, almost every fight.

So if you add them - don't complain that they add you.


Back in Agramon there was no 8v8 at all - everybody added.

One day we (Anguish) decided not to add any 8v8 anymore. We still got added a loooooong time. Now we barely get added - but still getting even from other strong 8v8 guild groups.

Its a never ending circle if nobody takes the first step.

Think about that before you complain. Just my 2cp


P.S.: DG didn't add our fights yesterday all the evening - they ran by...

SirTorian wrote:I ran with DG a few times lately. And while i was with them (8men) we got added by almost every group, almost every fight.

So if you add them - don't complain that they add you.


Back in Agramon there was no 8v8 at all - everybody added.

One day we (Anguish) decided not to add any 8v8 anymore. We still got added a loooooong time. Now we barely get added - but still getting even from other strong 8v8 guild groups.

Its a never ending circle if nobody takes the first step.

Think about that before you complain. Just my 2cp


P.S.: DG didn't add our fights yesterday all the evening - they ran by...

It's rather easy to take the 'first step' once you're all RR7+.

And btw, we (vanquish) had a non-add policy even before you guys existed...

SirTorian wrote:I ran with DG a few times lately. And while i was with them (8men) we got added by almost every group, almost every fight.

So if you add them - don't complain that they add you.


Back in Agramon there was no 8v8 at all - everybody added.

One day we (Anguish) decided not to add any 8v8 anymore. We still got added a loooooong time. Now we barely get added - but still getting even from other strong 8v8 guild groups.

Its a never ending circle if nobody takes the first step.

Think about that before you complain. Just my 2cp


P.S.: DG didn't add our fights yesterday all the evening - they ran by...

DG is adder guild, everyone knows this. Therefore people add on them in revenge. They alb and hib get the blame. Good logic lol.

why u flame about people u dont know?
there are so many kinds of people... daoc is a mmorpg for all
its made mostly for younger people but i think uthgard is prolly about 20y +

maybe u start soon talk about people that only xp a toon then log and xp another ... just let them if they have fun

or people that log in /hug aoe 4tw and start to chat a bit ......

is DG so bad ? its a friendly family guild just cuz they break ur fun ?
then dont play or leave zone or make ur own zerg ....
immo DG do real cool things invite not lv50s run without healers coming to rvr

what other guilds do??
kicking people cuz they not l33t promaster roxxor

waiting 5 hours that a eldritch log

i feel sorry somestimes myself to get angry in teamspeak

but problem in hib is 100%
to many kinds of people that dont playing together and that in a mmorpg a bit sad ...

or do it like diez gogo crossrealm

We are just talking about the wrong way we are...U can kill everyone who walks...But if u continue to zerg ppl, and these ppl have to /rel 1 min after port (because have been zerged ecc...), will not be anymore players to kill/zerg ecc cause they reroll another char or another realm.

2009 : 150 players on albion (85% pve)
2010 : 50 players on albion (85% pve)
2011 : Only admins, GM, Advisors on albion
2012 : 0 players on albion (end of the world, apocalypse).

We are nerfed enough to run by this half-way to classic server, if we have to fight in every inc vs 2fg+ everybody can think that is better to not suck anymore.

Holavez