I tried Cruachan Gorge two day ago, and it's possible to find some solo player, but you have to pass mmg or amg :p

Uthgard population is enough for OF, the problem is that half of players only do pve and never go rvr.

Edit: Off topic for no reason.

@Eisbaer: We would have stayed ontopic all the way if it wasn't for your obsolete need to "take the liberty to remind us" something that's completely beside the point. So drop it already.

vangonaj wrote:Uthgard population is enough for OF, the problem is that half of players only do pve and never go rvr.

The total population is, but the RvR population is not.

Der_Eisbaer wrote:1) Please speak only for yourself. If you do not something it is only your personal opinion.

It is not only his personal posting, many of us agree with him.


Zarkor, you are 100% right and I hope the staff take this very seriously.

Zarkor wrote:Uhm.. I'm part of the 328 people who voted for OF, I'm speaking as a member of that part of the communtiy.

Nevertheless you speak only for yourself and your opinion. Please keep that in mind.

Zarkor wrote:Apparently you do not mind wasting time, but the majority does, and I've seen a lot of people leave because of this. As long as you go "stop whining, everything is fine" about well ment remarks, you will never achieve any improvement. I don't know about you, but I've been playing here for a few years now and I must say Uthgard is just holding itself back, and it's all in the staffs hands. If you don't see this, fine for you, but I do, and I think it's time to speak up.

Apparently you are a bit upset for some reason. At least I will use this as some explanation for the fact that you impute things to me that I neither said nor adumbrated. Please read carefully next time, I said and I meant that you should do less drama. I did not say that you should not point out your opinion.

Zarkor wrote:I did, they left because of the reasons I mentioned. The Uthgard world is TOO big.

I think our friends are different then, mine stay and enjoy classic DAoC including everything that is part of OF.

Edit: same as above.

Zarkor wrote:As you can see, even though it is my personal opinion, there are a lot of people agreeing with it. Besides Nymeros and Runis for instance I can give you my word that almost everyone from my guild (Vanquish) will back me up on this, and I believe many more serious RvR players think similar. I guess this somewhat makes me speak for them in some sense.

Your postings makes you speak for yourself only. Just like I speak for myself only, Nymeros speaks for himself only, Runis speaks for himself only and so on. For a productive discussion it is important to keep that in mind. So please keep in mind that you only speak for yourself.

For a productive discussion it is important not to nitpick obsessively. He speaks for a significant ammount of the population. Does every one of them have to get here and give him permission (like I did, which for some reason still isn't good enough for you) for you to acknowledge this?

Nymeros wrote:For a productive discussion it is important not to nitpick obsessively. He speaks for a significant ammount of the population. Does every one of them have to get here and give him permission (like I did, which for some reason still isn't good enough for you) for you to acknowledge this?

It is not about me. It is about a very important general rule of discussion which in my opinion is not payed the necessary attention to. So I take the liberty to remind on that. Otherwise the thread runs the danger of ending like "but I speak for more players!" - "no I do!" "NO I DO!!!1" and noone pays attention to the topic itself any more.

That being said: May I politely suggest to return ontopic again?

My impressions:

* I prefer the emain map to agramon
- However if we had enough pop on uthgard to allow a full NF implementation, I would prefer 8v8 in diverse NF rvr zones like odins, pennine etc. But certainly not agramon though, I don't like this zone!

* I would prefer to be able to port directly to capital cities instead of using the rvr telepad, to more readily recharge/train/craft and so on, which could not harm rvr balance.

* Soloing has problems where I think the root is the following feedback loop:
- Too little solo pop in hadrians/odins
- When soloers go hadrians/odins and find no enemies, they become less inclined to go there, so adding to the low solo pop.

Thoughts for bringing more ppl to these zones:
- Implement and enhance the rvr dungeon, with XP bonus and perhaps a chance to drop respec stones (a la POC) or similar (recharge, mentor etc) to provide incentive for solo/small grps of 50s to go there too.
- Tone down (at least lower lvl) keep guard hitpoints/melee reduc, to make guard missions more desirable.
- consider nerfing lord self heal ability (at least for low lvl/unclaimed keeps), to make taking unclaimed/weaker keeps more accessible to smaller/weaker grps
- Ability to create forward bases with something like the original Corpse summoners may help to divert ppl from emain, creating a forward base in other frontiers.
- As with low population realm bonuses on live, similar (and attractive) special bonus could be added for rps/xp in hadrians/odins.
- Implementing desirable XP spots (though given the choice I'd rather not be fighting low lvl weak opponents)

1 So far I can see several people agree on the fact that realm bound teleports should be removed from the RvR pad. So fast porting to housing & capital should be possible

2 Most players also agree of the removal of the BG porting from the RvR pad as well.

3 Solo action is indeed not dead but its not stimulated, indeed you can go to the other zones, hadrians & Odins, but there are not many players who make that step in fear that they won't encouter any enemies or will get rolled by a fg non the less.

*Implementing bonuses/additional zones for solo players could solve
some of the 'wining'. Several solutions have been given already but
all were shot down by the 'uber' argument that it is imbalancing.

For the moment the imbalance is a fact for the solo'rs. Partly their
own fault, partly by the non-aid of the GM's (no-offence, you want a
live like touch, but at which point does it cost to much players?)

4 Y, I've been 'wining' about this already way to long, blah blah ... but an additional bg wouldn't bring severe player loss to OF, but it would stimulate all the lvl50's who logged after Thidranki. (I'm geussing thats about 150man)
After this boost, they would be more pushed to go to OF

5 Keep raids have been hard/easy on which perspective you look at it.

arnius wrote: *Implementing bonuses/additional zones for solo players could solve
some of the 'wining'. Several solutions have been given already but
all were shot down by the 'uber' argument that it is imbalancing.

We have 12 maps for rvr and you say about implement special zone? Soloers can find other places for rvr, but the problem is that all soloers prefer be killed in amg by stealth zerg than go odins or hadrians.

arnius wrote:4 Y, I've been 'wining' about this already way to long, blah blah ... but an additional bg wouldn't bring severe player loss to OF, but it would stimulate all the lvl50's who logged after Thidranki. (I'm geussing thats about 150man)
After this boost, they would be more pushed to go to OF

I don't think this proposal is going to make it in, even though it's here with the best intentions.

Bringing in a lvl 50 BG would merely give people under 5L4 a chance to solo decently or group with other players of similar RR in a BG-like situation. This would effectively draw people without a set RvR grp with higher RR players (majority of RvR players) out of the end RvR zone and into that BG, thus reducing the end RvR population even more. Not to mention this would aslo be another incentive for people to roll a BG toon and cruise through the BGs, just to reroll and do it all over again.

I don't think this would solve the solo issue for OF. Players higher than 5L4 will still face the same issues they are facing now.

vangonaj wrote:

We have 12 maps for rvr and you say about implement special zone? Soloers can find other places for rvr, but the problem is that all soloers prefer be killed in amg by stealth zerg than go odins or hadrians.



Yes, i prefer try kill something, than wait for nothing.