Get bof3 VS mid celerity jesuse:P and stop complaining about alb/mid/hib grp setups .. make another thread at least.
Since daoc apeared mid was the tank realm (best tanks)hib the caster realm(good combo having eld enchanter) and albs were somewhere in the middle.
Yet i believe that albs r alot tougher with an lifetap caster grp having 2 sorcs and 1 cabalist to debuf for body dmg ,2 clerics, pala,mincer and theurg for petspam or friar for elemental resists. This was the fotm when TOA kicked in and casters got huge advantage.

Glacius wrote:Get bof3 VS mid celerity jesuse:P

So every non mid grp should have a rr4 (gimped?) cleric/druid, in order to be competitive with every rr1+ mid grp out there?

Glacius wrote: Since daoc apeared mid was the tank realm (best tanks)hib the caster realm(good combo having eld enchanter) and albs were somewhere in the middle.
Yet i believe that albs r alot tougher with an lifetap caster grp having 2 sorcs and 1 cabalist to debuf for body dmg ,2 clerics, pala,mincer and theurg for petspam or friar for elemental resists. This was the fotm when TOA kicked in and casters got huge advantage.

Hence the problem of uthgard being stuck in a place where it doesn't pay off to be a caster.
And no, going back to OF RA is not gonna solve this issue.

Glacius wrote:Get bof3 VS mid celerity jesuse:P and stop complaining about alb/mid/hib grp setups .. make another thread at least.
Since daoc apeared mid was the tank realm (best tanks)hib the caster realm(good combo having eld enchanter) and albs were somewhere in the middle.
Yet i believe that albs r alot tougher with an lifetap caster grp having 2 sorcs and 1 cabalist to debuf for body dmg ,2 clerics, pala,mincer and theurg for petspam or friar for elemental resists. This was the fotm when TOA kicked in and casters got huge advantage.

Hib the caster realm? I loll'ed.

the mighty mentalist and enchanter make hib the best caster realm!

no other caster has the amazing utility of stun + nuke!

nerf mids

well, eld, ench, menta in a group promise quite huge utility and DMG! in combination with bard druid druid, a deftank(could also work with shieldbm), and a warden for better resis and 5th healer in group already makes a quite usefull setup with good casterdmgassist.

Still, i wouldnt consider hib beeing the casterrealm, rather the magic realm, since theres not a single class there that does not have magic abilities of any kind

Best castersetups are still albs with lifeleechdebuffassist or aoe/pbaoe/specDD-debuff(wont work on uth due to wizard beeing too weak) assists.

Mazh wrote:Just wonder what is balancing cele on alb?

aotg + cele + sos kill mostly everything at start, lot of skillz btw, but.. till alb doesn't have such an hast.

Just a quesiton about the balance because i'm curious to know, as I don't really know which RA cuold balance cele on alb or even hib.

regards,
maz

Reactive heal proc buff of cleric
2000range theurghist speed5 unmezzable pets combined to bonus range of mezz and bufshear


If a mid group is really so gimp to use sos+aotg togheter and you can't really stop a aug healer casting cele at less than 1000range of tanks, well, then kite for 20-30 secs^

Maidrion wrote:

Glacius wrote:Get bof3 VS mid celerity jesuse:P and stop complaining about alb/mid/hib grp setups .. make another thread at least.
Since daoc apeared mid was the tank realm (best tanks)hib the caster realm(good combo having eld enchanter) and albs were somewhere in the middle.
Yet i believe that albs r alot tougher with an lifetap caster grp having 2 sorcs and 1 cabalist to debuf for body dmg ,2 clerics, pala,mincer and theurg for petspam or friar for elemental resists. This was the fotm when TOA kicked in and casters got huge advantage.

Hib the caster realm? I loll'ed.

In my realm on oficial hibs played boxed , 1 eld and 2 chanters with pbaoe spec having -50% heat debuf, if eld would debuff chanters would hit like hell, also lower lvl nearsight to make things worse for their enemy and good aoe disease, warden with pbt and heals and 1 hero ..rest bard and 2 droods. Yes ..hibs were the spell power realm.

Braxis wrote:

Glacius wrote:Get bof3 VS mid celerity jesuse:P

So every non mid grp should have a rr4 (gimped?) cleric/druid, in order to be competitive with every rr1+ mid grp out there?

YES! i m not even taking into consideration lower players then rr5 . RA s give colour to RvR.

dragging tanks to PBAE does not work in informed 8v8.. enchanters are one of the lowest util classes in the game. elds function extremely well in the role of sole caster, and that's because they are overloaded with utility, and because other hib casters suck completely.

Chanters debuff their own, and the spec nukers of their realm's dmg by up to 50%, as well as having PBAE and a pet for interupts. If you don't see the potential of those that's your loss. Mentalist, enchanter, eldricht provides you with; AE disease, AE S/C debuff, AE D/Q debuff, PBAE X2, 50% debuffed nukes X 3, demezz, nearsight, AE mezz, AE nukes, static tempest, pets X 2...ya hib casters are just trash.


The realms are overall equal. Actually, I think the best 8 man is alb, but everyone has to be basically perfect on their class. And the difference isn't very much imo, I just feel the combination of a perfectly played theurg and minstrel offers a level of interupts that the other realms can't quite reach.

Force wrote:Chanters debuff their own, and the spec nukers of their realm's dmg by up to 50%, as well as having PBAE and a pet for interupts. If you don't see the potential of those that's your loss. Mentalist, enchanter, eldricht provides you with; AE disease, AE S/C debuff, AE D/Q debuff, PBAE X2, 50% debuffed nukes X 3, demezz, nearsight, AE mezz, AE nukes, static tempest, pets X 2...ya hib casters are just trash.

First of AE mezz = lol, you're just handing out mezz immunity. Static tempest is useless here cause it lasts like 0,5seconds on stoic tanks. 2x PBAOE? Then your eld has to be mana and thus no worthy nearsight. Bomb damage sounds cool but in reality you hardly get to use it.
All bullshit aside an enchanter is only useful for its heat debuff. His pet will interrupt a few secs till it's CCed or dead. (Whereas SM or caba RR5 pet is actually more useful). Not to mention power issues. You said it can debuff their own and the spec nukers of their realm's dmg by up to 50%. Mentalists on heat debuff is indeed very nice but an enchanter himself has to nuke with baseline DD with a rather big variance and you can't debuff cold for a light eld without wasting too much time/mana.


Menta is bit better cause their dd on a debuffed targets is real tough but again apart from demezz it has low utility. Without the ellyl sage they lack decent mobs to charm aswell.

Eld is indeed an awesome class and in my opinion one of the best casters in daoc.

Anyway if you play em right they can be pretty devastating in combination with each other but for example an alb caster grp is better. Chanter/menta just lack stuff. Please note that I'm talking about casters here on Uthgard and judging from your post you have little experience playing them here. This isn't live.

Force wrote:Chanters debuff their own, and the spec nukers of their realm's dmg by up to 50%, as well as having PBAE and a pet for interupts. If you don't see the potential of those that's your loss. Mentalist, enchanter, eldricht provides you with; AE disease, AE S/C debuff, AE D/Q debuff, PBAE X2, 50% debuffed nukes X 3, demezz, nearsight, AE mezz, AE nukes, static tempest, pets X 2...ya hib casters are just trash.


The realms are overall equal. Actually, I think the best 8 man is alb, but everyone has to be basically perfect on their class. And the difference isn't very much imo, I just feel the combination of a perfectly played theurg and minstrel offers a level of interupts that the other realms can't quite reach.

the only hib caster that can stand up to alb casters in terms of utility is the eld.

cabs have NS, disease, self debuff lifetap, pet, root
sorcs have bolt mez, demez, ae root, debuffs, pet
theurgs have ice/earth pets
wizards, ok, wizards suck

enchanters and mentalists are subpar DPS machines that can't do anything else, and elds are rigged with more utility than they can handle. but hib casters are on the whole weak. same is true for mid casters, where RM has all the goodies (at least until bonedancers are working), since spiritmasters are very unattractive for 8v8 gameplay.

I was talking about elds working with chanters ...not each class separate, and that they have disease and nearsight wich is esential also , hibs dont play bomb style here on uthg cause they r dumb, they got best setup for it with 2 pbaoe classes and one having heat debuf to do good dmg when it comes about ranged fights, You cant atract tanks into PBAOE???? if your druids bard and the others casters are all boxed together how do you kill the casters and healers ? not all grps run with caster setup ..and 1 its not suficient , hib stun line is v powerful caster vs caster, DEBUFF STUN NUKE NUKE assist works like a glove .

Think at the pluses and minuses u get for fighting boxed , u ll see its better then to fight scramed all over the place

well in most rvr grps eld's are light specced since tehre is no cure ns on uthgard and red ns is very powerful.
so only 1 pbaoe char, thats why ppl prefer nuking on range with debuff assist, that actually can work pretty fine

When I've started playing daoc the first realm i've playied (which i'm still playing ) as been Midgard... why? Ok that's what I toughth: I wanna roll a strong char devote to war who'll kicks asses of my enemies. I didn't know anything the 3 realms and their classes so I chose Midgard only for the hammer emblem. There are 3 realms: midgard has an hammer (ppl may think: wow! a war devoted realm or.. a smithes one ), albion has a goblet( a drinkers realm? or maybe some guys still trying to find the holy grail?), hibernia has a tree (well honestly i thought it was a realm were ppl had fun running in green lands catching butterflies...). So where is the problem? of course Midgard should always win

Onslaught wrote:When I've started playing daoc the first realm i've playied (which i'm still playing ) as been Midgard... why? Ok that's what I toughth: I wanna roll a strong char devote to war who'll kicks asses of my enemies. I didn't know anything the 3 realms and their classes so I chose Midgard only for the hammer emblem. There are 3 realms: midgard has an hammer (ppl may think: wow! a war devoted realm or.. a smithes one ), albion has a goblet( a drinkers realm? or maybe some guys still trying to find the holy grail?), hibernia has a tree (well honestly i thought it was a realm were ppl had fun running in green lands catching butterflies...). So where is the problem? of course Midgard should always win

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