ops i made a mistake with the secondary DD shout delve value, putting 149, when it was 139. Simple miss type that threw things way off lol. Was tired lol. So we can just make this into a discussion, as that is what it basicly is now. I hope a GM can move this into like support section, since its not a bug report anymore.

Sorry to the staff, for my mistake in delve when i was testing, it happens.

Albs have +10% magic damage right now, because of the relics they own.
Did you think about that?

Gerbald wrote:Albs have +10% magic damage right now, because of the relics they own.
Did you think about that?

128% * 0,9 (removing 10%) = 115% which still seem a bit higher than the live results

nixian wrote:

Gerbald wrote:Albs have +10% magic damage right now, because of the relics they own.
Did you think about that?

128% * 0,9 (removing 10%) = 115% which still seem a bit higher than the live results

Better use this calculation: 128%/110%*100%=116.36%

But you are right oc, its too much!

Looks like someones Ranger lost to a Minstrel (who has +10% melee and magic damage right now)

IF the damage is too high, then all caster damage is too high, since the DDs are magic damage.

I dont see the screenshots of the Uthgard tests.

IF the damage is too high, maybe its not the DDs, but the +10% relic damage formula that works not like it should.

I'd say, make a screenshot with a Uthgard Minstrel when Albs dont have the relic bonus.

Gerbald wrote:Looks like someones Ranger lost to a Minstrel (who has +10% melee and magic damage right now)

IF the damage is too high, then all caster damage is too high, since the DDs are magic damage.

I dont see the screenshots of the Uthgard tests.

IF the damage is too high, maybe its not the DDs, but the +10% relic damage formula that works not like it should.

I'd say, make a screenshot with a Uthgard Minstrel when Albs dont have the relic bonus.

or ask a GM to help test it or Blue

You also should take into consideration that those DDs on Uthgard might have been critical ones. I suspect that your ranger was hit by them and you did not do a test with the RR9 minstrel yourself?

Minstrels can spec MoM too.
it would be possible to gain up to 15% more damage and a RR9 Minstrels has quite some points to waste.
So, Eclipsed, you really need to do tests with a Minstrel on Uthgard and not just tell what you have been hit for.
Please go to live, spec MoM5 and add +10% (for Uthgard relics) on top of what you get, then compare again.

EDIT:
The more i read about this, the more upset i get.
This test is done very bad.
- it compares different DDs
- it leaves out 15% damage from MoM
- it leaves out 10% bonus from relics on top of the 115% already MoM modified value
- it claims that all insta DDs of melee classes (should be hybrid) are too high, but only tests Minstrels
- Live tests did not Spec MoM and show damage on a screenshot
- Uthgard value has no screenshot but only some numbers and nobody nows how that Minstrels was specced
- It claims that damage is too high and cannot possibly be so high, which is plain wrong, because it CAN be so high with some levels of MoM and relic bonus

And now you expect all classes with insta DDs to get nerfed because of that " t e s t "?

MoM is a simple %, im sure you can figure out how to add that.

Test #1
DD1 = 149 value / hits for 254 dmg (70% greater then delve)
DD2 = 160 value / hits for 293 dmg (83% greater then delve)

Add MoM5 = 15%

DD1 = 149 value / hits for 292 dmg ( 96% greater then delve)
DD2 = 160 value / hits for 337 dmg (110% greater then delve)

Now i did forget about the 10% relic bonus, so youl have to put that into the results, depending when the 10% dmg is added into the formula. And yes this was during a fight vs an enemy on uthgard, i dont have alb char to test this, unless someone would like to help out to test it, blue ? nix ? if they havent done so them self. Also im going to go and test out another shout class on live too.

Eclipsed wrote:Uthgard
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RR9 Minstrel

DD1 = 111 value / hit for 253 dmg (128% greater then delve)
DD1 = 128 value / hit for 292 dmg (128% greater then delve)

[05:26:23] [xxx] hits you for 225 damage! <- vs 23% body
[05:26:23] [xxx] hits you for 195 damage! <- vs 23% body

You are either lying, have somehow provided incorrect data or have faced a minstrel with high levels of aug Acu and MoM. I, as a RR5 minstrel, come not even close to those values vs. capped resists. Against someone with ~25-26% body resists my 128 delve DD does about 160 damage, the other about 130.

You can come for a test anyday sir.

Gerbald wrote:Looks like someones Ranger lost to a Minstrel (who has +10% melee and magic damage right now)

somehow I believe this to be the case. jesus ****** christ, I thought his "remove alchemy" topic was too much, then this...

Put the necklace on after porting.

Herm666 wrote:Put the necklace on after porting.

Amadeth wrote:

Eclipsed wrote:Uthgard
________________
RR9 Minstrel

DD1 = 111 value / hit for 253 dmg (128% greater then delve)
DD1 = 128 value / hit for 292 dmg (128% greater then delve)

[05:26:23] [xxx] hits you for 225 damage! <- vs 23% body
[05:26:23] [xxx] hits you for 195 damage! <- vs 23% body

You are either lying, have somehow provided incorrect data or have faced a minstrel with high levels of aug Acu and MoM. I, as a RR5 minstrel, come not even close to those values vs. capped resists. Against someone with ~25-26% body resists my 128 delve DD does about 160 damage, the other about 130.

You can come for a test anyday sir.

Gerbald wrote:Looks like someones Ranger lost to a Minstrel (who has +10% melee and magic damage right now)

somehow I believe this to be the case. jesus ****** christ, I thought his "remove alchemy" topic was too much, then this...

What is your total spec in insterments with skill bonus ? How much chrasma do you have ? What Ras do you have that my influence it, if any . Then just go to the test dummys and hit them, and take a screenshot, since the dmg doesnt vary.

Also on live, there is some kinda outpost bonus, that says it increases all dmg, but doesnt stat by how much. If anyone would know that.

Eclipsed wrote:

Amadeth wrote:

Eclipsed wrote:Uthgard
________________
RR9 Minstrel

DD1 = 111 value / hit for 253 dmg (128% greater then delve)
DD1 = 128 value / hit for 292 dmg (128% greater then delve)

[05:26:23] [xxx] hits you for 225 damage! <- vs 23% body
[05:26:23] [xxx] hits you for 195 damage! <- vs 23% body

You are either lying, have somehow provided incorrect data or have faced a minstrel with high levels of aug Acu and MoM. I, as a RR5 minstrel, come not even close to those values vs. capped resists. Against someone with ~25-26% body resists my 128 delve DD does about 160 damage, the other about 130.

You can come for a test anyday sir.

Gerbald wrote:Looks like someones Ranger lost to a Minstrel (who has +10% melee and magic damage right now)

somehow I believe this to be the case. jesus ****** christ, I thought his "remove alchemy" topic was too much, then this...

What is your total spec in insterments with skill bonus ? How much chrasma do you have ? What Ras do you have that my influence it, if any . Then just go to the test dummys and hit them, and take a screenshot, since the dmg doesnt vary.

how about you come and do the tests with me? i don't give a ****** how much you hit the dummy for after casting DD's one time on a dummy. go do a test on a live target and do 3000 casts on live, then here and compare.

oh wait, live DD's have a different delve and unless you have the exact matching numbers both here and on live, your tests mean nothing.

I have 50+15 instuments and 190 charisma, by the way.

and oh, by the way, just curious: where did you get a RR9 minstrel for test purposes on Uthgard?