Lintu wrote:

Krinton3 wrote:Bad language in broad? What is /filter for then?

Do you really think you can say whatever you want, just due to some existing /filter command?

Yes.

Nymeros wrote:

Lintu wrote:

Krinton3 wrote:Bad language in broad? What is /filter for then?

Do you really think you can say whatever you want, just due to some existing /filter command?

Yes.

Wrong.

§2.1 Any forms of insulting, harassing, threatening, embarrassing, causing unwanted attention or discomforting on or against other players are strictly prohibited. This includes racial, national, original, ethnical, religious, gender-related, disablementical and other manners.

Good thing sarcasm isn't banned. Yet.

Nymeros wrote:Good thing sarcasm isn't banned. Yet.

Cheers to that, however its hard to do in chat, most people don't get it and think your being serious, :s

Runis wrote:

McPain wrote:yeah and quit hating on grey gankers cuz its an rvr game and ur supposed to kill the enemies. that's the point of the game !

The point of any game that human kind invented is challenge. If you feel challenged by killing greys, go on take them all. Tho imo its just a waste of time.

True so true, you won't see me killing grey's only waist of mana/end, unless they ask for it (I hate grey ns/infi who think they stand a chance against my paci)

So far, the introduction of Old Frontiers has been a huge success.

well may i have some explination about this success ?

on hib if you have no bard to go with or no group well the only thing you can do is logging off .
Please don't tell me go odin or hadrian because it is empty .
having people running for 1 hour to see 0 solo or only stealther as soloer is not a success for me .
the all OF maps are way to big for uthgard lvl 50 rvr population , even thidranki would have been to big ...
well i m not QQ'in here just telling the fact that most of the players are in bg's and xping . so havin 600 + player on uthgard doesnt mean that they are all on the lvl 50 rvr zones.
+ uthgard has more player in day time , after midnight the rvr is quit dead ...
even with agramon is was hard at night to rvr , so with OF its even harder .

So, its up to the players to populate the rvr zones. Admins can't play the game for you

Hadrians and OG will get more populatet, OF is just released.
It took years 'till the players on stonhenge recognized the beauty of OG and Hadrians for nice small scale rvr (everything from solo to 8vs8), but in the end it where my absolute favorite rvr zones.

holsten-knight wrote:So, its up to the players to populate the rvr zones. Admins can't play the game for you

Hadrians and OG will get more populatet, OF is just released.
It took years 'till the players on stonhenge recognized the beauty of OG and Hadrians for nice small scale rvr (everything from solo to 8vs8), but in the end it where my absolute favorite rvr zones.

Aye i dinged rank 6 only doing small rvr on odin´s good memories ^^

I got a simple solution to populate OF zones, stop Grey Killers, and populate other zones. If you guessed it, your right! Get rid of Darkness Falls.

When, I first played DAoC in the good old days. We didn't have DF. In result Dungeons were full, zone were full, and OF well OF wasn't full cause at the time the Highest player was level 35. Once we started to fill OF and do some serious RvR. What does Mythic do, they introduce DF. Was great at first, until we took one keep and DF open, and then Frontiers started to die off. Saw less and less people, because everyone was in DF. Plus, good luck trying to get people out of DF, to go on a relic raid, defend your relic, or dragon raid, or just some plain old RvR fun.

Darkness Falls is a problem, just my Opinion I could be wrong.

GriggsC123 wrote:Darkness Falls is a problem, just my Opinion I could be wrong.

DF isn´t problem. The problem is player mentality. I saw lot of players left from this server because when they up to lev 50, no one invited them to group. Lot of players prefer wait 3 hours for their rr10000000000 friend than run with people who have low rr. Other players dont inv you to group because you dont have det 5 or something like that. And the situation is:
-Have you det?
-Yes det 4.
-hmm we need det 5 you are gimp.

And the answer should be gimp why? Im rr 4l2 and today caped rr in thid and up to 50. This situation repeat every day, and this players left server or started roll other char. And finaly we have ever the same groups runing in frontiers.

Other players say: here all only play zerg. Others say: here no one do zerg because all QQ about zerg...

There are million reasons for explain why frontiers population is low, but the most important problem is player mentality.
Some years ago all played in OF, with DF, with 15 min port, with switching medalion, without horses routes... and all where happy. (Im talking about PvP server not only RvR. PvP servers had same population than uthgard).

Right, this never invite people who are not decent enough for roxxor rvr is one problem which keeps the so called "casual gamers", which is all players who are not member of a regular group, out of the rvr zones and frustrated.

We invite people who are not 50, not decent det 5 equiped etc (and not only guildmembers) and bring them into pvp, bring them into more than 1 grp rvr, so they can win even without being so goddamn decent. And all we get for is flames.

Luckily we dont give a ****** about flames

One of my new favorite words since i play here is decent by the way

holsten-knight wrote:Right, this never invite people who are not decent enough for roxxor rvr is one problem which keeps the so called "casual gamers", which is all players who are not member of a regular group, out of the rvr zones and frustrated.

We invite people who are not 50, not decent det 5 equiped etc (and not only guildmembers) and bring them into pvp, bring them into more than 1 grp rvr, so they can win even without being so goddamn decent. And all we get for is flames.

Luckily we dont give a ****** about flames

One of my new favorite words since i play here is decent by the way

Mate! You have to understand our side of the story aswell. We see DAoC RvR more as something to be competitive in, something we want to be good at, not only as a player, but as a group, because you can be the best player ever, if you can't rely on your grp members you will die and lose due to their lack of skill.

If you then join groups who don't give the slightest **** about playing decent or not, playing fair or not, finding challenges or not, it becomes really annoying to play with those people. Most of us have passed the epic old feeling where we could run out in RvR as a lvl 38, build a grp with as many random classes, levels and players and just try to kill at least something. Why? Because most people have, and it's pretty much impossible to do so without a grp bigger than 8.

So, then we'd have to zerg, but then again we don't like to outnumber our enemies because we want it to be at least a fair fight. We don't mind our enemies to be a 10 or 12 slot as long as they can put up a decent fight, however we prefer to run as 8, because that's the number which gives you the best chances on finding close to equal opponents.

That's all true, player mentality is a big problem but it's also the player population. On live not only did it take years for other zones to develop (and on some servers they never did), it also took 3000 people, plus the percentage of RvR active players was much higher then Uthgards.

Zarkor wrote:

holsten-knight wrote:Right, this never invite people who are not decent enough for roxxor rvr is one problem which keeps the so called "casual gamers", which is all players who are not member of a regular group, out of the rvr zones and frustrated.

We invite people who are not 50, not decent det 5 equiped etc (and not only guildmembers) and bring them into pvp, bring them into more than 1 grp rvr, so they can win even without being so goddamn decent. And all we get for is flames.

Luckily we dont give a ****** about flames

One of my new favorite words since i play here is decent by the way

Mate! You have to understand our side of the story aswell. We see DAoC RvR more as something to be competitive in, something we want to be good at, not only as a player, but as a group, because you can be the best player ever, if you can't rely on your grp members you will die and lose due to their lack of skill.

If you then join groups who don't give the slightest **** about playing decent or not, playing fair or not, finding challenges or not, it becomes really annoying to play with those people. Most of us have passed the epic old feeling where we could run out in RvR as a lvl 38, build a grp with as many random classes, levels and players and just try to kill at least something. Why? Because most people have, and it's pretty much impossible to do so without a grp bigger than 8.

So, then we'd have to zerg, but then again we don't like to outnumber our enemies because we want it to be at least a fair fight. We don't mind our enemies to be a 10 or 12 slot as long as they can put up a decent fight, however we prefer to run as 8, because that's the number which gives you the best chances on finding close to equal opponents.

Sure, i see your point. On stonehenge we all where in different regular grps and guild rvr was quite rare. Alltough it never ****** me off when my grp was wiped by 16+ slot the leader of my regular grp allways got foam around his mouth yelling and screaming evil curses in ts. That ****** me off and was one (allthough small) reason for me quitting daoc back then.

On the other hand this not so decent 16 slot+ grps can be wiped by one good regular grp (like we allways get if i read this forum right ), than its double ar pees and fun for this grp. I think its better to encounter "unfair" fights and loose most of the time than no enemys at all.

The most important thing is to have fun i think! After the week of running with one fg and claiming the top of lwrp ranking, allthougb the week was fun for sure, we startet to develope regular grp behavior. Like "dont invite that guildmember skald we allready have one", the mood in ts changed to aggressive after 2-3 wipes etc.

So we discussed that in guild, and ALL agreed that with higher expectations the fun gets less. So we got back to gimp around, invite everyone and run more than 8 slot (nevertheless we care about the first grp being minimal decent with 2 healers 1 schaman 1 skald etc).

This works for us, we laugh more in ts than talk about rvr or anything else. If we annoy you sorry, not our intention. But we won't change it

But as mentioned in the other thread we will try not to add too much in the future, as long as mids win.

Because this running around a fight and killing the winner grp with no ras up is no "fair" 8vs8 either and grieve play against your own realm in my opinion. Allthough i dont blame anyone doing it. Everyone can play as he likes to.

Some valid points here.

I fall into the category of "casual gamer".

I leveled to 50 as fast as possible to relive my glory days, and it is literally impossible to get a group.

And it has nothing to do with my being gimp, how could anyone know that, since I have never been grouped?

The only time I can manage to get a group is when I create one. This only happens when we do not have DF. We take a tower (keeps now I guess), and the group dissolves, and I am left with nothing.

This is a repeatable predictable scenario.

So I am left with few options.

1) Run solo and die repeatedly, while spamming LFG for a group (this is what I am currently doing)

2) Reroll a class that can solo well in RvR

I almost wish I had never leveled past 35, at least I could get a group in Braemar.

Lintu wrote:

Krinton3 wrote:Bad language in broad? What is /filter for then?

Do you really think you can say whatever you want, just due to some existing /filter command?

Uh, you're stretching this too far. If somebody says s*** in a casual, non offensive way, and people who don't want to see it have filter turned on, who's it hurting?

Personally I keep the filter on, just 'cause, and I honestly don't see why people get so miffed when they have to read a little gibberish.