I agree completely with Merlund!

I disagree with some of his(Merlund) points

It would simply make uthgard yet another insta 50 server
+ some of his "what we should do" are just hilarious (as pointed out by zappo: remove all lvl restrictions for BGs wtf?)

what I wanna say is:

1. id like 20-49 BGs as of new frontiers (20-24, 25-29, etc..)
2. id like to keep the /rp off function disabled
3. Saying Uthgard looses a lot of people because of it being "boring" and not "soloable" is like saying icecream is bad because its cold.. <-- aka. this is what Uthgard is about, classic(xping was HARDER than it is on uthgard guys)


ye im out of this post besides the modding, insta 50 kinda lvling will never happen on Uthgard - try eden or some other insta 50 server if that is what you want.. because that will NEVER become Uthgard, EVER!

I will repeat my words: There won't be more battlegrounds. We do not want even more players to be in the battlegrounds, because it damages a "small" (compared to live) community, if too many players are seperated.

The discussion about /rpoff is absurd. Never again.

Nayru wrote:I will repeat my words: There won't be more battlegrounds. We do not want even more players to be in the battlegrounds, because it damages a "small" (compared to live) community, if too many players are seperated.

The discussion about /rpoff is absurd. Never again.

How exactly is more RvR possibility trough an additional BG damaging the 'small' community? It creates a more enjoyable route to 50 by breaking the pure xp grind, without highly affecting any other aspect of the game since only players with that level will be able to actually enter the additional content.
Players that want to do end RvR will do end RvR, players that want to play BGs, will play BGs, no matter how few or how many BGs there are (except of course when there are no BGs at all). Not to mention this would mean a huge improvement to the first experience on Uthgard for beginning players in terms of enjoying what you have achieved with your character so far, thus in terms of sheer fun.

Is this really your reason to ignore the benefits of adding a new BG?


PS: /rp off discussion is indeed absurd.

Zarkor wrote:

Nayru wrote:I will repeat my words: There won't be more battlegrounds. We do not want even more players to be in the battlegrounds, because it damages a "small" (compared to live) community, if too many players are seperated.

The discussion about /rpoff is absurd. Never again.

How exactly is more RvR possibility trough an additional BG damaging the 'small' community? It creates a more enjoyable route to 50 by breaking the pure xp grind, without highly affecting any other aspect of the game since only players with that level will be able to actually enter the additional content.
Players that want to do end RvR will do end RvR, players that want to play BGs, will play BGs, no matter how few or how many BGs there are (except of course when there are no BGs at all). Not to mention this would mean a huge improvement to the first experience on Uthgard for beginning players in terms of enjoying what you have achieved with your character so far, thus in terms of sheer fun.

Is this really your reason to ignore the benefits of adding a new BG?


PS: /rp off discussion is indeed absurd.

For once in a while I have to agree with Zarkor here

Like already said, I also think that introducing a new bg from 20-27, and changing Braemar from 20-35 to 28-35 would be an improvement for Uthgard because it would make the start of the game more enjoyable for beginners (if there are still any).

@ Nixian

1st of all, you didn't even read what I said, you just started spouting off your narrow-minded views without thinking. I NEVER said anything about increasing exp rates AT ALL and I ALSO said you don't even need to add another BG right now--just that ENCOURAGING BG warfare is a good thing, because then people will learn how to play better in big boy and its a nice taste of things to come, so retention of players will be higher. I also mentioned it was a good way to earn experience to break up the grind a few times and earn $$$ for the end-game template. I never EVER said anything about insta-50 or uber experience rates. I said NERFING it (which they did) was a mistake. LEARN TO READ.

Right now, you guys are acting as if Battlegrounds are the devil, because it splits RvR population, but Devs seem to think its ok to send them to some 5hr long, unrelated-to-RvR quest, instead--as if that doesn't. There are other examples I can list, but for the sake of brevity, I won't. Regardless, thats pretty flawed logic. If you can't see the duality of that, I jsut feel sorry for you.

2nd of all I take offense to your high-and-mighty attitude when you are a "Moderator". How does one moderate with a clearly biased opinion?? Interesting logic again. Your basic attitude appears to be: I will moderate everything I don't agree with. You guys seem to do that a lot in this forum... I also find it quite interesting that you are the most outspoken about things that affect your character or abilities--you "edge". Like when you spewed off for days about how implementing free autotrain would ruin your life and make it so unfair /waaaaaah! /waaaah! as if it would really matter. Constantly using the argument that we should stick to the purity of true Classic play in order to justify your position--while we all use our tinderboxes in DF and then ride our shiney new horses on the way to Tajendi!!!! Yeah, ummm... /lmfao If you can't see and admit that this is a custom shard too (if a classic-ish one), then its time for me to moderate you man: you're full of it.

Nothing that ever happens in the battlegrounds would EVER affect endgame RvR. Its either going to be active or not active based on its own merits. Just like when they took away the porters,etc-- what happened to RvR?? It dried up! The biggest influence on RvR population is the quality of RvR itsself. The sanctimonious anti-BG ATTITUDE that prevails in these forums only does harm to the retention of new players that might wander in and test the waters. I mean, what do you expect?? Are you like Zubasa and think everyone should go to Agra @ level 29 so they can feed you arpees?? It takes a while to get 50 and if people have fun along the way, more will stay. I don't understand why you can't get that through your thick skull. Enjoy camping HMG on your shade waiting for inc #2 this hour during off-peak, when this server COULD be hopping 24/7...

Stick to your Special-Club mentality and think that your are being Mr. Smartypants when you pick and choose which CUSTOM changes you want to support being implemented (along with the ones that are already in place!), then look down your nose at people who are only offering things that would make the community GROW. (It almost seems that you guys don't want it to!)

You may laugh at our ideas, but we're laughing right back, sir...

Zarkor wrote:How exactly is more RvR possibility trough an additional BG damaging the 'small' community?

It splits the players in too many zones. Especially new players are dependant on levelgroups. If they participate in rvr in Braemar, Wilton and Thidranki, that's absolutely enough practise they need. But a level 20 player who is desperately looking for a levelgroup should have the possibility to get one. Battlegrounds always mean a break. There are many players who just go for /xpoff in order to achieve the realmrank limit for his level. Do you really want another battleground to enforce more /xpoff?

@Merlund
Friendly (and last friendly) warning

Think about your attitude and stay ontopic. As it is posted in the forum: If you have trouble with a staffmember (Mods are part of the staff), talkt to him/her. But do not flame in the forum about him/her.

Thank you for your understanding.

Camulos

2 custom ideas/wishes
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A)
i'd like a new feature ...

- enable rpoff for everyone
- AND dissable the xpoff command for following lvls:

33,34,35 --> who wants to stay in braemer may be maximal lvl 32
41,42,43 --> who wants to stay in wilton may be maximal lvl 40
47,48,49 --> who wants to stay in thid may be maximal lvl 46


--> who wants only to play in BGs may do as he wishes, but has to suffer from a lower lvl (they cannot pawn anymore)
--> ppl reaching the next higher BG will be not faced by totally overpowered characters
--> ppl who want to reach lvl 50 will be rewarded by having lots of enemies they can fight
--> who wants to stay for ever in BG may so and may also reach high RAs
--> more possibilities in BGs as ppl can have much more RAs
--> ppl who want to stay in BGs have to group


*this idea i like*
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B)

i'd like a new/additional battleground for lvl 1 (+-0)


- very little zone with 3 starting camps (guarded by lvl 50 guards
- all new chars start there with lvl 1 (lvl 2 character will be already ported out of zone)
- everyone may decide to participate or to leave the zone and be ported to realm start city
- every one has only training equipment and no NPC traders are available
- one can stay and release in zone as long as lvl 1
- no teleporter available to get into this zone
- no binding in this zone
- dissable /xpoff for lvl 1 characters


*this idea is just ridiculous*


waiting for your feedacks

A)

dont... ever..... enable ..... rpoff....

nugh said!

B)

hmmm key.... kindergarden...?
may be funny as event but as static BG... ehrm.... no??

this is my feedback^^


You wanna know why A) never will be implemented?
Because former times on uthgard /rpoff was enabled...
i played too back then so i KNOW it will be the same:

imba 1337 roxx0r Pro Player X is lvl 35... fully SCed... much higher RR... so 1 damage dealer maybe could kill whole FG lvl 20-25 enemys... (mmmh maybe? for sure!)

u think disable /xpoff is a solution? its not! because PvM(xp) death you know? jumping 2-3 times from keep wall/keep bridge and you're dead... and lost xp... you can imagine the rest?

so you might see too now, bad idea!

Zappo wrote:A)

dont... ever..... enable ..... rpoff....

nugh said!

B)

hmmm key.... kindergarden...?
may be funny as event but as static BG... ehrm.... no??

this is my feedback^^


You wanna know why A) never will be implemented?
Because former times on uthgard /rpoff was enabled...
i played too back then so i KNOW it will be the same:

imba 1337 roxx0r Pro Player X is lvl 35... fully SCed... much higher RR... so 1 damage dealer maybe could kill whole FG lvl 20-25 enemys... (mmmh maybe? for sure!)

u think disable /xpoff is a solution? its not! because PvM(xp) death you know? jumping 2-3 times from keep wall/keep bridge and you're dead... and lost xp... you can imagine the rest?

so you might see too now, bad idea!

argh, i always forget about this xp suiciding^^ although ive even done it myself when was possible

so just abolish xp loss at these certain lvls

Nayru wrote:

Zarkor wrote:How exactly is more RvR possibility trough an additional BG damaging the 'small' community?

It splits the players in too many zones. Especially new players are dependant on levelgroups. If they participate in rvr in Braemar, Wilton and Thidranki, that's absolutely enough practise they need. But a level 20 player who is desperately looking for a levelgroup should have the possibility to get one. Battlegrounds always mean a break. There are many players who just go for /xpoff in order to achieve the realmrank limit for his level. Do you really want another battleground to enforce more /xpoff?

Incorrect!

First, after leveling from 1-20 people tend to want a break and finally test their character for the first time in real combat. If you leveled your own characters, you would know this and I'm pretty sure a LOT of the players would agree with me. This is just the truth, 20-30 is the most boring and annoying part to level trough on Uthgard because you don't get the chance to decently match your character that you have already put a fair amount of effort into. No, right now you have to stick to grinding 10 levels further to 30 before you're worth anything as a non-healing class, which makes it a lot more boring and even makes some people plain give up on Uthgard!
This is just undenyable.

Second, there are BGs from level 30-49, do they so horribly prevent players from finding xp groups? Not at all, do they split up the community terribly? Not at all.
Your argument is really flawed here.

If you really care about not splitting the players, you should reconsider Tajendi, its the only zone that actually does split up players because you just cant afford to abort if whenever you want.



Now to make things clear, what the community is asking a BG that starts at 20 but has a way lower cap than 35, probably 24 or near to that would be perfect, hell, I think people would actually like having ONLY (Old) Thidranki from 20-24 to break the BG grind and another BG at 44-49 to get ready for end-RvR. It's just that it's really much better to have an earlier RvR opportunity than lvl 35, THAT is the problem. We don't specificly want MORE BGs, we want a lower cap on the first one!

So again, I'm waiting for decent arguments.




PS: I think u do have some valid points Merlund...
PPS: Craser, your ideas are pretty much useless.

Second, there are BGs from level 30-49, do they so horribly prevent players from finding xp groups? Not at all, do they split up the community terribly? Not at all.
Your argument is really flawed here.

Thank you. The BGs are always dead before the PvE game, simply because you need players who can't communicate with each other to be in one place. And they also have to have fair numbers (a fg will make a solo just go PvE), etc. etc.,

Worrying about the PvE is just not right. People (especially lowbies) are always going to be out there PvEing, and the only time where this doesn't happen is if there's barely any lowbies on, which, if you check /who 20 30, you'll notice that there are quite a few.

At a decent hour, you'll get from 8-30+ results (have a look for yourself at different hours in the day)

Now, unless the BG is zerg city, you can't expect to see more than 10-14 players there. Usually less than that.

There's no way that even in an active BG (and it's not active 24/7), that you can't form a full group. The only possible problem is with, say, a stealther, which already has a hard time getting groups.

This is all disregarding the previous argument of levels 30-49 having a hard time getting groups. There isn't a problem at this level range.

Overall, it's silly to be afraid of splitting up the 20-30 playerbase, as it's too large to even be concerned with in the first place.

...Wait, hell, I think that BGs might actually help if they're active. If they are, this means that people who are trying to PvE will be more likely to get in a group. Think about it. If there's only 8 people in the level range, then 8 people will probably be in the group.

I think Brae lv range is too high, because ur feed for the lv 35 ppl. Last week a fg mids (all gray) tried to kill me (lv 35 cabby) i killed them all, because they couldnt rupt me. i think that wasnt fun for them or ? On live u have those close lvl ranges, that u have a real chance to kill ur target. Molvik was the most popular BG ever because it was from 35-39, so no class have their 40+ RA's.

u got nearly the same in Wilt if ur out of Brae with 36 ur useless againt lv 43 ppl.

If Staff think more BGS would affect lv 50 RvR cause more ppl log on alts to have fun in BG's.

What about editing the BGs that rp gain is high/low enough to reach Cap Lvl/RR at nearly the same time.

I would like to see a BG like old thid 20-24, because to grp ppl under lv 30 is a lost slot, said but true.

I think many ppl can live with it, if we have 3 BG's of decent lvl range where u can exp at realm enemies and grow ur RR at the same time with good chance to compete.

In my opinion only chars in lvl range should be able to enter BG's, because its frustrating to kill grey's

Like:

-Brae 30-35
-Wilton 39-44
-Thidranki 45-49

I know that this was discussed 100Mio times, but I'm frustrated that i lvled my char up to 35 w/o go to Brae and enter it with 1L1 and be out of it after 2 evenings of 2hrs play time with ~250 kills.

LG Jack