First off let me say that I totally LOVED my hunter in the Battlegrounds. In Braemar and WIlton I did great! In Thid, it started to go down hill. Hunters damage doesnt scale with their lvl. i know we have all talked about it but nothing ever seems to be done. Once classes get a few ranks of RR hunter just go down hill even farther. At 50 Hunters and Scout, (yes, im showing Scouts love too) are nothing but adders because they cant kill crap solo. People do not group you for big boy RvR so you have to solo or try and get a stealther group going. So, that leaves us Hunters and Scouts to try and kill at gate but then you run into assassin classes. We all know from experience that all any assassin class has to do is hit you with str/con debuff and with viper poison hitting you for 700+ over the DoT they can literally auto attack and kill you. Why cant Hunter/Scouts have the damage output that Assassins and Rangers have? Hell, even Rangers have NO problem doing melee. All you every see from them is more bow damage because they melee like an assassin class with their own buffs. Im not asking for hunters to be able to beat these classes, im asking to be able to compete with these classes. People will say, Get PD5 and IP2 ,etc and you can kill those guy. Yeah, would be great to get them BUT you actually have to be able to KILL someone first which is next to impossible. Your only hope to kill someone is to add or kill expers in DF which typically they are low lvl and you get 1/2 rp.
My hunter will stay retired until something can be done to help this class and Scouts. Everyone knows these two classes are the worst damage classes on the server yet nothing has been addressed to improve thier melee damage and their bow damage in big boy RvR.
Help the gimps!

Hunters and Scouts for sure can beast somebody. Good example is Exaria (didnt know why he quit, but he was awesome hunter).

Trolgrin is good too!

Your Hunter is Please i suppose?

With my hunter, Puffoso, i didn't get any problems in rvr vs caster or tanks.
The great problems were the ranger with high PD and assassins. The rest was free rps

Erdie wrote:With my hunter, Puffoso, i didn't get any problems in rvr vs caster or tanks.
The great problems were the ranger with high PD and assassins. The rest was free rps

Becuase Assassins can see you on a large range without camou. I hate the way camou works... And with OF it is getting worse in terms of being seen first.

Ronian wrote:Becuase Assassins can see you on a large range without camou. I hate the way camou works... And with OF it is getting worse in terms of being seen first.

Yep this was 1 of the problem with assassin, they always found me. Another big problem for the hunter is viper3, hits for like 120 damage... it's like the 11% of your life per tick...

Most of the "old school" hunters that were good, were good because of RR lvl. Back when we had camps and stuff and archer classes could snipe out of guard range and get 100-200k rp per week doing that. Now, us newest guys dont have the luxury of ganking porters or afk'ers at the camps. We actually have to earn our kills and earn them vs assassin which in itself is extremely hard. Most hunter outings are like this. Dead, dead, dead, add killed, dead, dead, dead, add kill. Not very productive.
Here is food for thought. I just went through the Uthgard Herald and got these stats. Out of the top 450 RP last week these are the numbers that I got:

14 Rangers in the top 450. 7 of the 14 are lvl 50s.
8 Scouts in the top 450. 5 of the 14 are lvl 50s.
4 Hunters in the top 450. 1 was a lvl 50.

Anyone else see a problem? At 50 Hunters just dont have the dps to keep up. Scouts are typically slambots and let their Infil brothers get the kill.

Erdie wrote:With my hunter, Puffoso, i didn't get any problems in rvr vs caster or tanks.
The great problems were the ranger with high PD and assassins. The rest was free rps

Puff you got 90% of all your RP sniping people at camps. I sit at hib camp at night on my warrior and laugh at you killing porters and afkers.

Yep, but that was only at first times, than I used it for 1 vs 1 (but I was already 5l) ^^

i have to admit what your saying about hunters isnt very nice? their all unskilled and must kill afk ppl to make rps? that doesnt make sense ... why dont u camp mile gates like the rest, when i played a hunter 7 yrs or so ago i used to hang out up there and get a sb buddy to chill near me and help out with infs! plus who says that you arent losing some dmg from something else? what spec are you what rr hows your gear? do u have capped dex!? do you run with base and spec dex while your saying the dmg sucx??? have you checked out the melee spec from hunters? u get annihilation at like 44 spear! neways as some1 who has only played a oldschool pre si hunter i think you should not blame the class and find out whats wrong.

devilsfury wrote:eople do not group you for big boy RvR so you have to solo or try and get a stealther group going

hahahah so great

Between hunter,scout and ranger, ranger has the best melee dmg of them all so in a close combat he will always be better, scout has highest range on bow and bigest dmg of em all after him coming ranger and last hunter. How another buddy said earlier, you should duo with another hunter or a SB if u cant kill some1 1 vs 1, ofc beeing rr4 sux vs rr9 like Ronia is and so on, the back stun style on spear is awesome and hunters should be speced like 50% bow and 75% spear anyway cause they have shortest range and melee is the way.
Melee and ranged dmg is low in daoc, all classes felt it ,so as spell dmg , it sux that u cant get a big advantage hiting from range so the player can get to you with 25% hp instead of 40% .. a true warior never quits ..think and you will find a solution my friend:) .. /hugs

Well i had similiar issues with my hunter. And i gave up melee in all cases.
I dont even try to go melee...

Just make sure u have endu, speed and enough lw to run^^. Dont just kite enemies to 50% go the whole way ^^. Be certain to have atleast mos4 to see em before they see u, else this game is lost from the beginning. Keep distance all the time.

Some RAs that in addition to LW that help.
FA
IP ( small gimic , dont need it)
Purge


Dont bother with PD , since u aint gonna go Melee..

Its a lame way to play. But the only way to go - if u ask me!

This way you can handle:
- NS,Infi
- All tanks without charge
- Charge tanks (since most of them are dumb) when your speed is up
- All Caster except Sorc
- With purge up champions for sure
- Reavers
- Friaar with alot patience and consequent harrasment (make sure u have macro for groundtarget)
- Warden (almost the same as in case of Friaar, except that warden doesnt have HoT ). Therefoe it will be much faster.

Problems:
- Ranger when speed/rr5 is up. And pet doesnt break rangers speed.
- Sorc with ichor
- Caba when well played and near mobs
- Valy with ichor
- FG/Adders/Dam+Add duo when they catch u while kiting.
- Eld when his rr5 is up

...


I suggest 39 speer, 35 bow 35 stealth rest beastcraft.
The blue pet and the red speed is essential!. Regarding the bow damage 35 vs 45 / 50 bow the damage is not significant for your tactic.

Having Mos4+, you become an essential member of the lets-scare-all-the-other-stealther-out-of-Agra group! Be certain to have the proper gank attitude.

You dont rely on charges, but rather on endureg pots. Quit cheap.

Greetz
Nes

ps. I love to see stealter ganked/killed.

Don't forget volley to shoot trough walls to hit hiding targets...

Id be interested in seeing if any Admin/GM play 50 Hunter on this server. The only response ive gotten about playing hunter on here from the community is basically:

A: kite like hell and never melee
b: you have to be grouped
c: back 30000 years ago on live my rr 10 hunter was good.

No feedback from current lvl 50 Hunter players simply because there arent very many. But basically like ive said before. There are some serious dps problems with this class.

@Nestral
Hehe, copy and paste for your other chars

@Motaro
Yes, I started with RR9 and all other players were below my rank.