Phileas wrote:Ah and afaik a long-playing bersi reported the RR5 bug ^^

Not true, and not on free will. Someone gave him a deadline - guess who.

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bersi vs savage.. i know that savage hits with thrust on alb chain...my problem is that the savage attacks with cap speed, not mentioning quad hits..

Those screenshots doesnt say anything. What styles did the bersi use? which the savage?

failed style? Aurora Borealis (1.25 GR)? Plague (0.6 GR)?

I just know troll zerker: 2k WS, savage ~1.5k WS
I dont miss with my troll zerker, and rarely get blocked, parryed - savages miss quied often.

savage >>> bersi

bersi > merc/bm

merc and bm are balanced imo .. played all 3 classes on uth =p and the easiest of them is savage :> really funny to swing on capspeed doing 200-300 dmg on caster only with mainhand ^^

and since guard is bugged and only usable with mob5 to get a blockrate like a shield tank with 20 in shield skill ^^ ... didnt play some time so i dont know how it works now with block fix

erwondal wrote:savage >>> bersi

bersi got:
- higher weap-skill
- real dual-wield->getting less blocked
- charge
- vendo for up to 100% crit
so svgs are only better when they get multiple hits off,
which depends on pure luck.

erwondal wrote:bersi > merc/bm

- merc+bm got better defence than the zerker
- merc wears chain!
- dirty tricks, great rr5 ~
- bm, 90% 360° parry, nc ~

and both merc+bm can potentially slam, while the zerker has no useful stun at all.

erwondal wrote:and since guard is bugged and only usable with mob5 to get a blockrate like a shield tank with 20 in shield skill ^^

thisi, my new warrior mate blocked ora-con guard for me when he was level5^^ he blocked really well in rvr today with lvl48 - i think you should redo your testing on the blockrate

zubasa wrote:

erwondal wrote:savage >>> bersi

bersi got:
- higher weap-skill
- real dual-wield->getting less blocked
- charge
- vendo for up to 100% crit
so svgs are only better when they get multiple hits off,
which depends on pure luck.

erwondal wrote:bersi > merc/bm

- merc+bm got better defence than the zerker
- merc wears chain!
- dirty tricks, great rr5 ~
- bm, 90% 360° parry, nc ~

and both merc+bm can potentially slam, while the zerker has no useful stun at all.

erwondal wrote:and since guard is bugged and only usable with mob5 to get a blockrate like a shield tank with 20 in shield skill ^^

thisi, my new warrior mate blocked ora-con guard for me when he was level5^^ he blocked really well in rvr today with lvl48 - i think you should redo your testing on the blockrate

Basicly what you're claiming is that Bersi's are better than Savages, but! worse than Mercs and BMs...

This alone prooves that you're just wrong.

Zarkor wrote:Basicly what you're claiming is that Bersi's are better than Savages, but! worse than Mercs and BMs...

you should read more carefully, i didn't say any class is better than the other, they are just different - you can gimp any class, or you can play it at its peak performance - imo mercs are the coolest charge tanks in daoc, i'd change our zerkers for mercs in an instant

zubasa wrote:- bm, 90% 360° parry, nc ~

And they can't attack or it breaks, OH WOW AWESOME ABILITY NC ~.

yeah merc is totaly balanced with other light tanks with his best style having mediocre GR (compared to other light tanks) with NO(!) to-hit chance

defense? Ever tried hitting savage with advanced evade 4 and evade+parry buff? With enhanced resist on top of that?

also if berserker is so much better then savage, why do I keep seeing those 2-3 savage groups? I just don't get it they are obviously so weak and you keep inviting them and making them.

edit: yeah, like you said savage damage depends on luck (quadhits) but I think most people that don't play midgard would agree that this luck seems little shifted

one more edit: while zerker might be worse in some points, his damage output makes the other realms' light tanks pale. And that's kinda the thing you expect your light tank to do

I expect them to stand around useless parrying hits for 30 seconds! Because THAT is what makes blademasters awesome.

Btw BM styles aren't any better than merc ones damage wise. The only one that shines is supernova, 3rd style in a side chain.

like i said.. bm and merc are really balanced normaly.. cause side snare > sidestun because u have the ability to slam

then only thing i am wondering about is why all ppl say svg do less dmg then bersi if they dont quad ... this is just not true guys ^^ its because of very high setted growth rates mythics fault imo, maybe its because in former all mids were just stupid "retards" on live servers so they needed to make it easier for them ! :X

and on uthgard they are not (: so they profit from it now :p

And they didn't tri/quadhit as often as they do here.

Funkling wrote:And they didn't tri/quadhit as often as they do here.

a test was done on uthgard recently with over 1300 side-styles with a 50 svg, 4% quad rate (5% on live) was the result - just stop the qq already

I personally don't give a damn about live. Savages are too strong on Uthgard and need fixing no matter what tests say.

zubasa wrote:

Funkling wrote:And they didn't tri/quadhit as often as they do here.

a test was done on uthgard recently with over 1300 side-styles with a 50 svg, 4% quad rate (5% on live) was the result - just stop the qq already

Just out of curiousity did you count how many double and triple hits as well ? Quadhits is not the only thing that matters.

Anyway I agree with Maidrion but we know that won't happen ^^

zubasa wrote:

Funkling wrote:And they didn't tri/quadhit as often as they do here.

a test was done on uthgard recently with over 1300 side-styles with a 50 svg, 4% quad rate (5% on live) was the result - just stop the qq already

and your source are?

i never saw such high quad hit rate... except at the introduction of the savage. got nerfed 1.65

so rate should be. after a very fast check... but i'll suppose it won't be enough...

60HTH
Total swings: 1089
Single hits: 59.77%
Double hits: 23.02%
Triple hits: 15.09%
Quad hits: 2.13%

source: http://forums.jeuxonline.info/showthread.php/showthread.php?t=234362

that is from http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?...829&replies=28

that doesnt exist anymore... and i already reported it...

but anyway i won't do more search cause it's useless to try to get something fixed in this time of Old Frontier coming.

just have a look at the 60% one hit... savage works has he should on uthgard, lol funny