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Postby Funkling » Jul 20, 2009 01:00

I guess you forgot how easily rangers die without PD.
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Postby Ronian » Jul 20, 2009 01:02

Funkling wrote:I guess you forgot how easily rangers die without PD.


Ranger could spec Dodger or AvoidPain and 100% IP instead.

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Postby Seyha » Jul 20, 2009 01:04

Funkling wrote:I guess you forgot how easily rangers die without PD.


Not really. Their DPS more than compensates. I lose to Rangers without PD5 by huge margins, and that's even if I initiate the combat with bow.

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Postby Funkling » Jul 20, 2009 01:05

Ronian wrote:
Funkling wrote:I guess you forgot how easily rangers die without PD.


Ranger could spec Dodger or AvoidPain and 100% IP instead.
Nearly impossible to kill all the time to nearly impossible to kill once every 30 minutes. Almost the same.
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Postby Funkling » Jul 20, 2009 01:06

Seyha wrote:Not really. Their DPS more than compensates. I lose to Rangers without PD5 by huge margins, and that's even if I initiate the combat with bow.


You are special.
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Postby Seyha » Jul 20, 2009 01:07

Roll a Hunter.

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Postby Funkling » Jul 20, 2009 01:13

I'd rather pull my fingernails out than level another character on Uthgard.
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Postby Seyha » Jul 20, 2009 01:16

Right. :roll:

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Postby Funkling » Jul 20, 2009 01:19

Yes, right. I don't have the will to level anything to 50 at all, especially not to solo.
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Postby Seyha » Jul 20, 2009 01:27

So you're ignorant. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you refuse to learn.

I will give you money and gear. Roll a Hunter, oh skillfull one.

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Postby Nymeros » Jul 20, 2009 01:28

OF/NF has nothing to do with it.

Rangers = fotm.

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Postby Ronian » Jul 20, 2009 01:33

Thats why several rangers twink their nightshades.

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Postby Nymeros » Jul 20, 2009 01:45

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or good natured, so I'll just assume the latter. :D


On another note, here's some info from the famous archery fix in 1.88:

* Archery spec: Archery now presents a reason to spec all the way to 50. Effectiveness is directly related to spec, and a high bow spec will be very effective.

* Quick cap: gone.

* Autotraining: Hunters will now autotrain bow.

* Buffs for Scouts: Scouts now have a buff line which is identical across all three archer classes.

* Physical Defense: removed


And then all the happy archers could spec Avoidance of Magic to counter Viper 3, and all would be well in Uthgard.

Granted, not everything is a good change (no evading arrows, wtf) but to just imagine what good we could do regarding game balance if a portion of the population wasn't committed to degenerating the game BACK instead of forward. :(

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Postby Ithiggi » Jul 20, 2009 04:40

lol high bow spec effective with new archery ... new archery's dps sucks compared to what a 50 spec bow archer could do before this "love".

I noticed here my bow damage has gone down recently maybe I am just imagining it. (damaged tested on lvl 0.5 targets) (with higher dex, higher skill and higher dps bow ect.)

Btw my hunter is not lvl 50 yet so I really can't compare lvl 50 damage here to what I could do on live before the "love".

I can say bow damage seemed more live like at lower lvls ATM the hunter is 43.

Is it just me as well but when a caster is casting it seems to swich from crit shot to normal shot or maybe I should sober up /stagger

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Postby Fresa » Jul 24, 2009 16:26

What Seyha is effectively saying:

Bring all classes down to the poor state, that the hunter class is in, then i can might be able to kill something.

If you'd overthink your opinion there, i hope you will see, that nerfing your counterpart-class, the ranger, is not the remedy for your pain when playing a hunter. We would just have to share the same pain.

The Ranger-class is the only viable archer-class atm and i'd love to keep at least one playable archer-class. Admittedly it is the melee-ranger, because archery still sucks(critshot-bug atm makes it even worse).

Don't you want the same, let there be one viable archer-class on uth?

Ronia is the number 1 ranger/archer of all realms and surprise, surprise he can do something you can't. But envy can't accept that. So you come here and complain about rangers.
I wonder if you've ever noticed, how many rangers get regularly killed out there on agramon by almost any class. You are fodder for most classes, if your RAs aren't up and you are below rr6+.

I play in hib and i have seen many rangers being lvled up only to find out, that agramon is unlike bgs an uphill battle. Many shelve their rangers at rr 4l2 for this reason.



I would have hoped, that you could do better than that, seyha.



But honestly as a hunter today on Uth you have two choices:
1.
Leech/add and zerg your way to rr8 and then with the RAs at your disposal be able to beat once every 15min some of the superior classes (and there are many superior to the hunter class), if their toys aren't up or they are lower rr.

2.
Play an Assassin and have fun from rr5 on.


AND ppl please, please, once and for all, please understand, that toughness5 in combination with ip2 is clearly better than pd5, ok?

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